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Second Hearing On 'Hills' Application Gets Rowdy

Mr. Algieri was standing in the hallway at the side of the auditorium listening to all the comments. To categorize this as bullying is surprising since there were at least five of the developers sitting right in front of the podium during the entire meeting. Please speak for yourself if you dislike someone. You have no right to speak for the citizens of East Quogue. Al is the elected President of our Civic Association, and I thank him for his service and many many hours he has spent in the best interests of our community." Dec 7, 16 12:34 PM

I guess those of us in the opposition have made some progress. To paraphrase Shakespeare, Methinks thou dost protest too much. The fact that the public comments increased from 75 to 100 since the last meeting and that people were willing to sit in those uncomfortable chairs for so many hours shows the level of citizens' concern about this project. Why were the pro Hills people all standing around the edges of the room showing their stickers and signs? Why didn't they take a seat as Mr. Schneiderman suggested when there were empty seats available? Is this not intimidation? And yes, I was at the meeting and listened carefully to every speaker. I did not see any confrontaion by Mr. Algieri, it must not have been in the room or near the podium where my attention was focused. I know both Ms. Daddino and Mr. Algieri personally and am saddened by what some say might have happened. They are both upstanding citizens in our community, possibly some heated words were exchanged between an octagenariun and a septuagenrian. Let's not get carried away...."pressing charges"? Really? BTW, How dare you question the integrity of Mr. Algieri and his source of funds when the developer is flooding our newspaper and mailboxes, spending millions of dollars on marketing?" Dec 8, 16 10:25 AM

Man Steals $20,000 Necklace From Southampton Village Jewelry Store In Smash-And-Grab

To quote the NRA: When you have only seconds, the police are only minutes away. Suffolk County issues pistol permits, and rules are strictly adhered to. There are no personal relationships that enter in to it. Please limit your comments to things you know something about. Most gun banners know nothing about guns. If they did educate themselves they would see how responsible gun owners act, and not jump to conclusions." Dec 8, 16 1:28 PM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

Please watch your language. It doesn't help your image." Dec 11, 16 10:55 AM

UPDATE: Sag Harbor Residents Reject Turf Field Proposal Wednesday

So health of children trumps (pun untended) $$$money! YAY !!!! Now we must STOP THE HILLS in East Quogue for the same reason....the health of our citizens. PGA golf course with pesticides, fungicides, nitrogen all entering our drinking water and bays!!! Wake up to the will of the people, Southampton Town Board!" Dec 15, 16 12:18 PM

Sag Harbor 7-Eleven Store Owner Sentenced To 48 Months In Prison For Scheme

Let's also eliminate the US Senate, since it gives 2 seats to each state, regardless of population. Our founding fathers were wise to establish two legislative bodies in Congress. Their electoral College accomplishes the same thing in the Executive branch, since the Presidency is only one person and can not be split as was possible in Congress. See a quote below from an article published today:
"Clinton’s 2.3-million-popular-vote plurality over Trump depends on the votes in a single state: California. Clinton has more than a 4-million-vote plurality over Trump there. In the other 49 states plus the District of Columbia, Trump actually has a 1.7-million-popular-vote plurality over Clinton. So California single-handedly turns a Trump plurality into a Clinton plurality." -- James E. Campbell, a UB Distinguished Professor of Political Science at the University at Buffalo, SUNY.
Trump is what the people want!
" Dec 19, 16 11:10 AM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

Please everybody, go wrap some Christmas or Hanukkah presents and give this a rest for the holiday!!! Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah to all !!!!!!" Dec 24, 16 10:55 AM

Discovery Land Establishes Presence On East Quogue's Main Street

An act of desperation, perhaps? We must continue to expose the truth about this project. Sat 1/7/17 at EQ Elementary school,10am if you are interested in seeing the other side clearly. Then make an informed decision." Dec 30, 16 10:40 AM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

You have not anwered my question. They were getting 95+% of the land PLUS East Jerusalem under the Clinton plan. Why did they reject it? If you have an answer, please refer me to your source. A quote from one Israeli General doesn't mean it's true. Clinton never would have gotten them to the Rose Garden to sign the agreement if it was so against Israeli policies. It was Arafat who walked away." Jan 2, 17 1:13 PM

Please read the following quote:

2000 Camp David Summit:
Background & Overview
by David Shyovitz

Camp David Summit: Table of Contents | Daily Diary | Trilateral Statement

The Camp David summit took place from July 11-24, 2000, at the presidential retreat in Camp David, MD. Attending were President Bill Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and PA Chairman Yasser Arafat. The intention of the gathering was, ostensibly, to negotiate a final settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in accordance with the 1993 Oslo agreement. The parties were unable to come to an agreement, however, and a wave of Palestinian violence soon engulfed Israel. Another round of talks was subsequently held at the White House from December 19-23, 2000, again aimed at negotiating a final settlement. Because both Clinton’s and Barak’s terms in office were ending, a final settlement, and not merely an interim agreement, was seen as vital. Nonetheless, the White House negotiations also ended unsuccessfully.

While then-president Clinton made clear that Barak had been prepared to make peace, apologists for Arafat insisted that the only offer made by Barak was a fragmented state divided into four “cantons,” none of them connected with the Gaza Strip; that Arafat eventually accepted a settlement offer, which was withdrawn when Ariel Sharon was elected Prime Minister; and that this final offer was not a serious one, and was never put on paper by the U.S. or Israel. These myths, in varying forms, have become the backbone of the Palestinian revisionist account, supported most vocally by New York Times journalist Deborah Sontag, U.S. negotiator Robert Malley (and co-author Hussein Agha, and the Palestinian Authority itself.

The firsthand accounts of other officials, however, have confirmed the conventional wisdom, and cast doubt on the revisionist assertions. These politicians include Ambassador Dennis Ross, the chief negotiator for the U.S.; Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel’s chief negotiator; and President Clinton and Prime Minister Barak themselves.

At Camp David, Ross has said, there was no comprehensive final settlement offered. The Israeli and American negotiators put forth ideas regarding borders, Jerusalem, and land transfers. One of those was a Palestinian state comprised of four cantons. Arafat rejected these suggestions, but did not raise a single idea himself. Ben-Ami, who kept meticulous diaries of the proceedings, said that Clinton exploded at the Palestinians over their refusal to make a counteroffer. “‘A summit's purpose,’ Clinton said, ‘is to have discussions that are based on sincere intentions and you, the Palestinians, did not come to this summit with sincere intentions.’ Then he got up and left the room.” [1]

According to Ben-Ami, Israel tried to find a solution for Jerusalem that would be “a division in practice...that didn't look like a division;” that is, Israel was willing to compromise on the issue, but needed a face-saving formula. The Palestinians, however, had no interest in helping the Israelis; to the contrary, they wanted to humiliate them.” Nevertheless, Ben-Ami said Israel dropped its refusal to divide Jerusalem and accepted “full Palestinian sovereignty” on the Temple Mount and asked the Palestinians only to recognize the site was also sacred to Jews.[1a]

Arafat’s only contribution was the assertion that, in reality, no Jewish Temple ever existed on the Temple Mount, only an obelisk; the real Temple existed in Nablus, he said. Not only did he not make any accommodation to Israel, Ross said, “he denied the core of the Jewish faith.” [2] This stunning remark illustrated how Arafat had become caught up in the mythology he had created and indicated to the Americans that he was incapable of the psychological leap necessary — the one Anwar Sadat had made — to achieve peace. As a result, President Clinton’s press conference following the summit laid most of the blame for the outcome on Arafat. [3]

Malley and Aghan, in an article that came to define the revisionist view, attributed tactical errors to the Israelis and Americans as well as the Palestinians. Those errors included the neglect of several interim agreements and land transfers by Barak, who was too caught up in the search for a permanent agreement. As a result of those errors, Malley and Agha claimed, Arafat came to view Camp David as “a trap,” and to distrust both Barak and Clinton. Backed into a corner, and afraid of losing whatever gains he had already made, he reverted to passivity. [4]

But Ross, the head of the negotiating team of which Malley was a member, has countered that Malley’s defense of Arafat ignores the larger context of the negotiations:

[Malley’s] account of “the tragedy of errors” of Camp David — though correct in many aspects—is glaring in its omission of Chairman Arafat's mistakes. One is left with the impression that only Barak did not fulfill commitments. But that is both wrong and unfair, particularly given Arafat's poor record on compliance… Did Prime Minister Barak make mistakes in his tactics, his negotiating priorities, and his treatment of Arafat? Absolutely. Did the American side make mistakes in its packaging and presentation of ideas? Absolutely. Are Prime Minister Barak and President Clinton responsible for the failure to conclude a deal? Absolutely not. Both Barak and Clinton were prepared to do what was necessary to reach agreement. Both were up to the challenge. Neither shied away from the risks inherent in confronting history and mythology. Can one say the same about Arafat? Unfortunately, not — and his behavior at Camp David and afterward cannot be explained only by his suspicions that a trap was being set for him. [5]

Malley and Agha acknowledged that ”Barak was eager for a deal, wanted it achieved during Clinton’s term in office, and had surrounded himself with some of Israel's most peace-minded politicians. As early as July 1999, during their first meeting, Barak had outlined to Clinton his vision of a comprehensive peace.“ They also reported that Clinton was furious with Arafat and told him, ”If the Israelis can make compromises and you can't I should go home. You have been here fourteen days and said no to everything.“ [5a]

Abu Mazen, one of the lead Palestinian negotiators, said even before the summit the Palestinians ”made clear to the Americans that the Palestinian side is unable to make concessions on anything.“ He also maintained the whole process was some sort of trap. [5b]

Following the summit’s failure, Arafat asked for another meeting, and, in preparation, established a channel of communication between his own negotiators and Israel’s. In September 2000, according to Ross, Arafat knew that the U.S. was preparing to present its ideas on the new conference, and thus ordered the new intifada. The U.S. asked Arafat to prevent violence following Sharon’s Temple Mount visit, and “he didn’t raise a finger.” [6]

Nonetheless, the three leaders met at the White House in December and a final settlement proposal was offered. The U.S. plan offered by Clinton and endorsed by Barak would have given the Palestinians 97 percent of the West Bank (either 96 percent of the West Bank and 1 percent from Israel proper or 94 percent from the West Bank and 3 percent from Israel proper), with no cantons, and full control of the Gaza Strip, with a land-link between the two; Israel would have withdrawn from 63 settlements as a result. In exchange for the three percent annexation of the West Bank, Israel would increase the size of the Gaza territory by roughly a third. Arab neighborhoods of East Jerusalem would become the capital of the new state, and refugees would have the right of return to the Palestinian state, and would receive reparations from a $30 billion international fund collected to compensate them. The Palestinians would maintain control over their holy places, and would be given desalinization plants to ensure them adequate water. The only concessions Arafat had to make was Israeli sovereignty over the parts of the Western Wall religiously significant to Jews (i.e., not the entire Temple Mount), and three early warning stations in the Jordan valley, which Israel would withdraw from after six years. [7]

The offer, it is true, was never written down. The reason for this, according to Ross, was the recognition by both the U.S. and Israel of Arafat’s fundamental negotiating tactic of using all concessions as a starting point for future negotiations. Afraid that the leader might once again revert to violence, and expect future settlement offers to be based on the generous concessions offered to him now, President Clinton gave him no written version. Instead, he read it to the Palestinian delegation at dictation speed, “to be sure that it couldn’t be a floor for [future] negotiations... It couldn’t be a ceiling. It was the roof.” The Palestinian negotiators wanted to accept the deal, and Arafat initially said that he would accept it as well. But, on January 2, “he added reservations that basically meant he rejected every single one of the things he was supposed to give.” [8] He could not countenance Israeli control over Jewish holy spots, nor would he agree to the security arrangements; he wouldn’t even allow the Israelis to fly through Palestinian airspace. He rejected the refugee formula as well.

The reason for Arafat’s rejection of the settlement, according to Ross, was the critical clause in the agreement specifying that the agreement meant the end of the conflict. Arafat, whose life has been governed by that conflict, simply could not end it. “For him to end the conflict is to end himself,” said Ross. [9] Ben-Ami agreed with this characterization: “I certainly believe that Arafat is a problem if what we are trying to achieve is a permanent agreement. I doubt that it will be possible to reach an agreement with him.” [10] Daniel Kurtzer, former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Egypt concurred: “The failure of Camp David is largely attributed to the fact that Arafat did not even negotiate....It didn't matter what he put on the table; he put nothing on the table.” Kurtzer added that he would never understand why Arafat withdrew from the talks without even offering a maximalist position. [10a]

Instead, Arafat pursued the path of terror in hope of repositioning the Palestinians as victims in the eyes of the world. “There’s no doubt in my mind,” Ross said, “that he thought the violence would create pressure on the Israelis and on us and maybe the rest of the world.” [11] That judgment proved to be correct.

Clinton’s term in office soon ended, and with Barak’s premiership waning, he agreed to a meeting with the Palestinians in Taba, Egypt. That meeting ended with an optimistic joint communiqué being issued, but with no actual settlement or agreements.

The Palestinians and some commentators have subsequently claimed that breakthroughs were achieved at Taba, particularly on the refugee issue; however, this was disputed by one of the principal Israeli negotiators, Yossi Beilin. “The discussions in Taba revolved principally around the ‘narrative,’ regarding the history of the creation of the refugee problem and the number of refugees that Israel will agree to absorb,” according to Beilin. “We did not reach any agreements....Regarding the number of refugees, an anticipated disagreement erupted, but once the discussion turned to quotas, we were no longer talking about a ‘right.’ The numbers that we agreed to were symbolic and took humanitarian problems and family reunification issues into account. The numbers proposed by the Palestinians were far higher.” Beilin said the Palestinians should tell the refugees that once peace is achieved, and their state is established, “they will be allowed to immigrate to [the Palestinians state] and live in it in dignity. Not in Haifa.” [12]

Barak was subsequently replaced as Prime Minister by Ariel Sharon, and, as the violence and Palestinian terrorism intensified, negotiations were put on hold in favor of security arrangements. Barak has since condemned his “peace partner,” and publicly supported Sharon’s tougher security tactics. [13] Clinton, too, did an about face on Arafat at the conclusion of his presidency. In his last conversation with Clinton, three days before his term ended, the PA Chairman told Clinton that he was “a great man.”

“The hell I am,” Clinton said he responded. “I’m a colossal failure, and you made me one.” [14]

Sources: [1] Ma’ariv, (April 6, 2001).
[1a] Saul Singer, ”Camp David, Real and Invented,“ Middle East Quarterly, (Spring 2002).
[2] Interview with Dennis Ross, Fox News Sunday, (April 21, 2002).
[3] Press conference, (July 25, 2000).
[4] Robert Malley and Hussein Agha, “Camp David: Targedy of Errors.” New York Review of Books, (August 9, 2001).
[5] “Camp David: An Exchange.” The New York Review of Books. 9/20/01.
[5a] Robert Malley and Hussein Agha, “Camp David: Targedy of Errors.” New York Review of Books, (August 9, 2001).
[5b] Robert Malley and Hussein Agha, “Camp David: Targedy of Errors.” New York Review of Books, (August 9, 2001); Saul Singer, ”Camp David, Real and Invented,” Middle East Quarterly, (Spring 2002).
[6] Ross interview.
[7] “Myths of the Intifada,” by Fred Barnes, The Daily Standard. 4/25/02; Dennis Ross, speech at Georgetown University, March 3, 2003 in Near East Report, (March 17, 2003).
[8] Ross interview; Dennis Ross, “Yasir Arafat,” Foreign Policy, (July/August 2002).
[9] Ibid.
[10] Ma’ariv interview, (April 6, 2001).
[10a] Jerusalem Post, (May 4, 2006).
[11] Ibid.
[12] Yedioth Ahronoth, (August 18, 2003).
[13] MSNBC, (March 26, 2002).
[14] Ibid." Jan 3, 17 10:19 AM

Civics Schedule 'Citizens Public Hearing' For Saturday On East Quogue Golf Resort Application

Again no mention of a large community center and event hall with underground parking for 130+ cars. Please edit your story for accuracy." Jan 3, 17 11:23 AM

In my opinion, this is a meeting to give those against the project a voice. We have heard enough from DLC and their proponents, most of whom were brought in from out of town. We have been bullied enough." Jan 4, 17 10:02 AM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

At some point we have to realize that discussions with High Hat & June Bug are a waste of one's time. Better to ignore them, maybe they'll grow bored and go away.
GO TRUMP !!!!!" Jan 6, 17 12:56 PM

Civics Schedule 'Citizens Public Hearing' For Saturday On East Quogue Golf Resort Application

Outstanding meeting. Around 100 people in a blizzard! Can't wait to have access to video for all interested parties who were not able to attend. See how much we learned in 1 1/2 hours! Too bad the Town Board did not allow the opposition to make these presentations at the official Town meetings." Jan 9, 17 10:49 AM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the itchy trigger finger belongs to our current President, whose name is Obama. Trump will manage our adversaries from a position of strength, not weakness as has been Obama's strategy. Maybe Obama is learning something from Trump at this late date. Else, he is positioning us on the world stage for trouble, leaving Trump with many serious problems, hoping to discredit him at the expense of our safety. Shameful." Jan 9, 17 12:20 PM

Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision

The profit will be OVER $500 Million. Yes, that's half a Billion, with a B.
Dr. Gobler was very scientific and indicated that the THEORY of DLC to reduce nitrogen sounds good but has not been tested. Also, the flow of water beneath us will change direction in an undetermined way if golf course uses water from below. Too many unproven assumptions to take a chance, in my opinion." Jan 10, 17 1:53 PM

Very disingenuous to wear an EQ school sweatshirt, announce that she was in a high position at the school, disavow that she was speaking for the school, and then go on and on with her opinion touting her job experience on how the school works and how the Hills would affect it. Shameful.
Did you ever hear the word "recuse"?" Jan 11, 17 1:36 PM

Patients, Healthcare Providers Concerned Over Possible Repeal Of Affordable Care Act

So 20 million poor people (who were covered under medicaid anyway) get insurance and 200 million middle class victims have to pay for it in higher premiums, deductibles and copays. THAT'S what the problem is. Who pays for it?????!!!!! Check out the profits of health care and pharm companies. At our expense!" Jan 13, 17 12:22 PM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

We have already drowned over the last 16 years, Mr. Biden. That's why we gambled on a change with Trump. We certainly didn't get the "CHANGE" promised 8 years ago when we voted for Mr. Obama." Jan 13, 17 12:27 PM

Patients, Healthcare Providers Concerned Over Possible Repeal Of Affordable Care Act

No, it is not unfettered capitalism when health care insurance can't be purchased across state lines as stipulated by ACA. Unfettered would be competitive if insurance were available from multiple companies across state lines, as is the case in auto and life insurance. ACA created the monopolistic catastrophe we find ourselves in. Let's try REAL capitalism with competition and you'll see how prices drop." Jan 15, 17 10:04 AM

Local Residents React To Stunning Trump Victory

He won because of the overwhelming discontent of the people with the current administration and government. It is their fault for not hearing or having a blind eye to the citizens of this country. Now we will see how it goes. You reap what you sow." Jan 15, 17 11:42 AM

I guess the least educated of white voters fall into the deplorable category? In this country,each vote is equal, get off your high horse, high hat." Jan 16, 17 12:32 PM

What a shame we are terrorized by our own and have to wish safety to our citizens at the inauguration of our President." Jan 17, 17 12:17 PM

Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision

US Open at Shinnecock Hills in 2018. So when is the US Open coming to East Quogue? Just a matter of time if DLC gets the golf course. What a jackpot that would be to the Hills at Southampton and the Dune Deck Hotel !!!! " Jan 21, 17 1:49 PM

Southampton Town Alters Plans For Waterfront Park In Riverside

Aren't these wetlands? What about all the strict applications of wetlands laws to the citizens of SH Town? Cutting down trees and clearing along a waterfront for a 10 foot wide walking path, picnic area and launch ramp into the water for kayaks and canoes? Another do as I say, not as I do? Just ask anyone in the Town who lives on or near the water." Jan 22, 17 10:20 AM

Dr. Gobler Says Luxury Golf Course Resort Would Leave Larger Nitrogen Footprint Than Subdivision

The difference is $300 million plus in profits. Golf memberships are estimated to go for at least $500,000 each, times 248 members (118 from Hills and 130 from Dune Deck Hotel) = $124 million. Homes in the golf course community are expected to sell for AT LEAST $1million more than homes without a golf course, add in another $118 million. Then add in around $30,000 for 248 golf members to actually play - PER YEAR! - another $7,440,00. In just 10 years that adds another $74.4 million. That's $316.4 million dollars!!!! These are conservative numbers - not counting higher estimates closer to $1million for a golf membership or homes that may sell for 2 million more that those with no golf course. Simple math." Jan 22, 17 11:26 AM

These have been gleaned from prices paid for golf memberships and annual playing fees elsewhere on LI. Mr. Hissey refused to answer direct questions about the prices DLC plans to charge when asked numerous times at the wine and cheese parties he hosted. Perhaps he will address them now?" Jan 22, 17 11:35 AM

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