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UPDATE: Schneiderman Unveils More Details About Proposal To Reroute Tuckahoe Road

Ahhh, capitalism.

" Jun 23, 16 11:21 AM

Boy - does this say it well!

Sad - that by the time we get to vote for our next Supervisor - the choices could be as poor as our choices for higher offices...

One point Donald has right is that the system is rigged (to a great degree). It's very difficult for a true outsider to get anywhere." Jun 23, 16 11:27 AM

Money does "talk", but, we have something that money can't always buy....VOTES.

If we all get to the voting booths next November - we'll show these phonies where to go!

Vote for David Calone in the Democratic primary on June 28th. " Jun 23, 16 11:31 AM

A Political Life In The Making For David Calone

How nice will it be to have a democrat that knows how to help the working class with jobs - instead of a handout.

I met David and am impressed with talent in many areas. We need democrats like this. " Jun 23, 16 12:10 PM

Southampton Town Deems The Hills Environmental Impact Study Incomplete For The Second Time

Mr. Hissey,
Things change during the course of 2 decades.

Today, we know that pesticide run-off and nitrogen are destroying our waters. Shouldn't we utilize what we've learned over the last 20 years to help protect ourselves and future generations?

Today we have 5 acre zoning in East Quogue. Today we have laws that protect the aquifer that we get our drinking water from.

We can't pour chemicals & urinate in the punch bowl (our water supply) and expect the next generation to drink from it." Jun 23, 16 12:23 PM

Throne-Holst, Calone Both Top $1 Million In Primary Campaign Spending

David Calone is the kind of person that we don't often get a chance to represent us in Congress.
Business smarts, family man, very bright, and HONEST.

How refreshing to have all of these qualities in our representatives.

Vote next Tuesday. Vote or don't complain." Jun 23, 16 12:54 PM

East Quogue Civic Association Meeting To Discuss 'The Hills' Turns To Screaming Match

But - you are promising to preserve space that is SHOEHORNED in between fairways!!

None of the other courses have preserved open space between their fairways.

Didn't Discovery promise to preserve open space at their Bakers Bay development and then "oops, sorry!!", when a bulldozer "accidentally" cleared the open space?" Jun 26, 16 12:34 PM

Discovery Land Insists That 'The Hills' Won't Add Any Children To Local Schools

Did Jay accept a position at Discovery? Public relations or information management?" Jun 28, 16 10:03 PM

155,000 square foot club house - that's what you have included in your application for a change of zone - in addition to 118 homes.

That's the equivalent of 55 homes. Your proposed club house is equal to about 55 homes???

Mr. Hissey - why do you need to build the largest club house in America? " Jul 5, 16 11:09 PM

In a court of law and almost everywhere else - if you are found to make one false comment it brings into question everything you say...

" Jul 7, 16 5:26 PM

It appears that Mr. Hissey is much better at spreading his "marketing story" than dealing with the fact that he has no control over kids going to the East Quogue school - from future homes.

" Jul 8, 16 2:56 PM

Southampton Town Makes Offer To Purchase The Hills Property In East Quogue

Mr. Schneiderman - your children, grandchildren and anyone who drinks our water thank you!!!

You're a smart guy.

Thank you." Jul 12, 16 5:45 PM

There is a reason that this offer might be accepted:

This Town Administration is looking at this DEIS much more diligently then the last one.

The TERMINAL SHORTCOMINGS will not be over-looked this time.

How much is this acreage worth if you can only build 55 homes?

At the developers COST of $400,000 a 5 acre building lot (without the PDD change of zone) who is buying them? Any offer from the CPF should work." Jul 14, 16 9:56 AM

The Town isn't "dragging out Discovery's approvals".

Discovery isn't "entitled" to a change of zone - that dramatically increases density over our single source of drinking water.

If they want to move forward - all they have to do is make an application to build what they think is allowed by all of the current zoning laws.

The only things holding them up is their incredibly aggressive request for increased zoning and a new Town Board that isn't shortsighted.
" Jul 14, 16 10:17 AM

There is a reason that this offer might be accepted:

This Town Administration is looking at this DEIS much more diligently then the last one.

The TERMINAL SHORTCOMINGS will not be over-looked this time.

How much is this acreage worth if you can only build 55 homes?

At the developers COST of $400,000 a 5 acre building lot (without the PDD change of zone) who is buying them? Any offer from the CPF should work." Jul 14, 16 10:18 AM

The Town isn't "dragging out Discovery's approvals".

Discovery isn't "entitled" to a change of zone - that dramatically increases density over our single source of drinking water.

If they want to move forward - all they have to do is make an application to build what they think is allowed by all of the current zoning laws.

The only things holding them up is their incredibly aggressive request for increased zoning and a new Town Board that isn't shortsighted." Jul 14, 16 10:19 AM

Southampton Town Releases Draft Of Water Quality Improvement Plan

80% of nitrogen (the main food for the monster: algae) comes from TURF.

TURF is enormously restricted in sensitive areas today - like over our single source of drinking water. And, areas that spill into bays, etc.

Limit TURF -and that limits the amount of pesticides, fungicides & herbicides that will eventually leach into our drinking water & bays.

Simple, yes!

" Jul 14, 16 6:41 PM

Many people think: "it won't happen here".

Then they look around and say: "how did this happen?" or "who allowed this to ruin our neighborhood?"

Reminds me of what Edmund Burke, that 17th century philosopher said:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

" Jul 14, 16 6:46 PM

Please don't sit by and let our waters get polluted.

Stop over-development. Stand up for what's right. For our children and future generations.

Speak up and support rational good acts by our elected officials. It will mean something." Jul 14, 16 6:50 PM

Alec Baldwin, Local Environmentalists Petition For Pine Barrens Commission To Review 'The Hills'

They might use the slivers of "PROTECTED" land in between their fairways???

Who is going to stand guard to watch them if this is passed? The developer?

I believe all of Discoverys other golf courses are spread over much, much more acreage. Private golf courses in Southampton Town - and there are many, are built on 185 to 238 acres.

Say goodbye to those slivers!
" Jul 20, 16 9:43 PM

Maybe the East Quogue school should get rid of a few "administrators" and spend the $$$ directly on education and support programs.


" Jul 21, 16 4:04 PM

Nature -
Very well said.

Thank you." Jul 21, 16 4:31 PM

Southampton Town Makes Offer To Purchase The Hills Property In East Quogue

Please don't upset these idiots with the facts.

You know the truth - coming from Tuckahoe.

Golf courses pay about 1/4 of the taxes that residences pay - in Southampton or anywhere in New York State.

" Jul 21, 16 9:44 PM

Alec Baldwin, Local Environmentalists Petition For Pine Barrens Commission To Review 'The Hills'

They could accept the offer from the Town Board.

They could accept that this is a different Town Board (from the one that invited them to apply for a ZONE change).

They could push their luck and end up without a MASSIVE ZONE CHANGE and without a massive gilt from the CPF.

They might not be as smart as they used to appear to be?" Jul 22, 16 6:20 PM

They could accept the offer from the Town Board.

They could accept that this is a different Town Board (from the one that invited them to apply for a ZONE change).

They could push their luck and end up without a MASSIVE ZONE CHANGE and without a massive gilt from the CPF.

They might not be as smart as they used to appear to be?

They might not be as smart as they looked - when Anna was helping them!!!" Jul 22, 16 6:22 PM

Harmful Algae Blooms Found In Two More Local Ponds

How much is that home on the bay or ocean going to be worth if you can't swim or fish in the water?!!

Stop over-development near our bays and drinking water sources.

Turf + pesticides = pollution. This isn't really too confusing, is it?" Jul 23, 16 6:34 AM

Discovery Land Still Considering Town's Offer For East Quogue Land

Read this Southampton Press article:

Harmful Algae Blooms Found In Three More Local Ponds Jul 22, 2016 10:08 PM" Jul 23, 16 6:36 AM

Read the Southampton Press articles about algae damaging bay waters:

State Identifies Harmful Algae Blooms In Southampton And Water Mill
June 21, 2016 3:00PM

New Algae Is Found In Local Waters,
April 30, 2009

Sagg Pond Closed To Swimming After Dangerous Algae Is Detected,
Aug 26, 2015 10:31AM

More turf = more algae. 80% of nitrogen (the food for algae) comes from turf." Jul 23, 16 6:49 AM

Harmful Algae Blooms Found In Two More Local Ponds

The planting of lawns (turf) and use of pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, etc...

All of these chemicals are necessary to keep the grass alive and green in our neck of the woods." Jul 23, 16 3:01 PM

Alec Baldwin, Local Environmentalists Petition For Pine Barrens Commission To Review 'The Hills'

3/2/14, 2:41 PM
Date: Feb 20, 2014; Section: Letters to the Editor; Page: A9
Fuzzy Math

Fuzzy Math
I recently attended a meeting at the East Quogue Elementary School regarding The Hills at Southampton project and was introduced to the people representing the resort complex proposed for our hamlet [“The Hills Have A Surprise,” February 13]. This resort will minimally include 118 single-family homes clustered on land that’s currently zoned for five- acre homes. Additionally, there’s a proposed golf course, a "150,000 +" -square-foot clubhouse, a swimming pool, health club, restaurant and cabins. The developers have procured (in contract to purchase) the building rights of two adjoining properties to enable them to build the 118 homes.
I was curious about the financial criteria for membership of such a resort. One of the salesmen said the homes will cost between $1.5 million and $2 million, and golf memberships will be around $100,000. I challenged his dubious financial information and underestimated quotes.
Having worked in the construction trades in the Hamptons for almost 20 years, I’m convinced that the types of homes that I saw in the slide show will cost at least $2.5 million to $3 million to build. The actual selling cost of these homes would be closer to $5 million to $7 million. Their “suggested” membership fee to join this club was understated at $100,000. They mentioned that all costs and fees would be “market-driven,” yet the Sebonack Golf Club costs between $650,000 and $1 million, and The Bridge, $850,000. Additionally, there are annual dues of between $20,000 and $50,000.
I’m convinced that they have no interest in developing these properties unless they can change the zoning. Let’s follow the money and compare these two alternatives.
A five-acre home in this area of East Quogue, far from the ocean, may sell for $2 million. The approximate gain of selling 118 homes at this price is $236 million. However, if the zoning is changed, the resort may expect to see revenues of $710 million at $6 million per home. Additionally, they would receive $500 million in membership fees if they charged $500,000 for 1,000 members, and annual dues could garner an additional $25 million.
That’s $236 million versus $1.3 billion, with a yearly revenue stream of at least $25 million. Additional members will only increase their profits.
The fact that we live in a market-based economy is understood, and while I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to make a profit, let’s not pretend that this consortium of resort developers has an alternative to their gargantuan plans. The current zoning isn’t profitable for them.
I implore the Southampton Town Board.... to leave the zoning of these open-space parcels alone. This act may encourage these developers to reconsider their wealthy enclave and renegotiate with the town to keep these three parcels as open space.
Pete Reyer
East Quogue
The developers behind the proposed The Hills at Southampton project have not yet closed on the two additional properties—a 62-acre adjoining lot owned by the Kracke family, and a 94-acre property to the east that’s owned by the Parlato family—that could potentially allow them to increase the number of proposed homes for their development from 82 to 118—Ed." Jul 27, 16 10:07 PM

Date: Feb 13, 2014; Section: Front Page; Page: A1
The Hills Have A Surprise

The Hills Have A Surprise
Developers now want to build 118 homes, golf course in East Quogue
BY KYLE CAMPBELL
The developers behind a proposal that would bring an 18-hole golf course and dozens of new luxury, second homes to East Quogue rolled out a new plan last Thursday night, February 6, which now calls for the construction 36 additional residential units in exchange for preserving a swath of wooded land to the east.
The announcement, which came about 45 minutes into a informational hearing hosted by those behind the proposed The Hills at Southampton project, caught some of the estimated 60 community members by surprise, with a few noting that the revised plan—which now proposes the construction of 118 residential units, and not the 82 as originally pitched— is much different from the pre-application approved last month by the Southampton Town Board.
Those changes, and the associated benefits of the modified proposal, did not sway the opinions of those residents who were steadfastly against the proposal, like Billy Kearns, who said he hardly recognized the plan discussed last Thursday night, which seeks to develop 436 acres in East Quogue.
“This project changes on a weekly basis,” Mr. Kearns said. “The current addition of potentially 36 new homes into the project is ridiculous, and I think there’s nothing static about this project—it’s always changing.
“I don’t think it’s a positive development for East Quogue,” he continued. “It’s detrimental to the water, it’s detrimental to the Pine Barrens.”
Mr. Kearns went as far as to say that the developers pulled a “bait-and-switch” on both the Town Board and community by securing board approval for the pre-application on the 82-unit plan in mid-January and then significantly altering the proposal less than a month later.
Wayne Bruyn, the attorney representing the East Quogue Group LLC, which owns the 436 acres, said the town’s application process for planned development districts, or PDDs, is designed to be fluid so changes can be made to fit the interests of the town, the developer and residents. So while the proposal has been modified, Mr. Bruyn added, it is within the developers’ rights to do so.
East Quogue Civic Association President Al Algieri, who has long opposed the project, also said he still isn’t sold on the idea or the recent changes. Specifically, he said he is concerned that the proposed 33,000-square-foot clubhouse and restaurant, despite the assurances to the contrary by the developers, could still be used as a catering facility. Mr. Algieri also said he is concerned about the increase in traffic that the homes and golf course would generate, even though most of that would be generated by those who own the multimillion-dollar homes and have access to the golf course.
“There’s a lot of things they have to substantiate—period,” Mr. Algieri said. “And that’s going to be the process. “They covered everything they could by statements, not facts. When the real process comes in, they’ll have to do a [Generic Environmental Impact Statement], they’ll do a traffic study. I think the traffic study will be the biggest part—because there’s one lane in and one lane out.”
Charles “Chick” Voorhis, an environmental planning consultant with Melville-based Nelson, Pope and Voorhis LLC hired by the would-be developers, the Discovery Land Company and East Quogue Group, explained to those gathered in the East Quogue Elementary School auditorium last week that his clients plan to buy two more properties in the hamlet and transfer their development rights to the estimated 436 acres that they already own. The two partners are collectively known as DLV Quogue, which is the name that is listed on the pre-application for the Mixed-Use Planned Development District, or MUPDD, that is being sought for the new development.
The first additional property, a 62-acre plot that sits to the west and abuts the DLV Quogue land, is owned by the Kracke family and would be used to house an entry road into the new development. Currently, the land is zoned residential and can accommodate up to a dozen single-family homes.
The second property measures approximately 94 acres and sits about a half mile east of The Hills property, and was once part of the Parlato family’s proposed Atlanticville subdivision. Up to two dozen single-family homes could be
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constructed on that undisturbed property, according to current zoning.
The main 436-acre property, which is already owned by DLV Quogue, is partially disturbed and extends from the intersection of Lewis and Spinney roads north and crosses Sunrise Highway. If the MUPDD is ultimately approved by a super-majority of the Southampton Town Board, the Parlato property would be preserved in perpetuity, according to Ed Divita, the senior development and construction manager for Discovery Land Company, the primary partner behind DLV Quogue.
The purpose behind acquiring the Kracke property is to quell concerns about traffic congestion near Lewis and Spinney roads, Mr. Voorhis explained, citing the complaints many residents raised about the area’s existing traffic problems, particularly in the summer months, during the project’s pre-application public hearings in front of the Town Board last year. The preservation of the Parlato property is meant to address claims that the MUPDD’s pre-application did not provide enough of a public benefit, which is a requirement under the town’s laws regulating PDDs.
“We heard all the public input, and we developed a plan that we believe includes a good deal of that ... that looks at the overall area more comprehensively,” Mr. Voorhis said. “What you’ll notice is the basic plan is almost identical to the original plan. However, this time we are contracted to buy additional lands that would be preserved for open space purposes.”
But, as pointed out by several audience members, the proposed land acquisitions would not be entirely altruistic, as DLV Quogue also would transfer the development rights from both properties to the larger parcel that it currently owns. The Kracke property has a development yield of 12 houses, while the Parlato property has a yield of 24—raising the total number of proposed houses in the development from 82 to 118.
Without an approved MUPDD, DLV Quogue can build 82 single-family homes as of right on the main property, most of which would be clustered on approximately 1- to 2-acre lots. But the MUPDD would allow the Town Board to add conditions for approval, including environmental regulations, that would not be available if the property were developed according to current zoning. Likewise, the MUPDD requires a community benefit, which can be negotiated as part of the approval process.
The Scottsdale, Arizona-based Discovery Land Company took the lead on The Hills project in 2011, shortly after being approached by the East Quogue Group LLC, the original owner of The Hills property and the group that pushed a failed PDD bid in 2009.
Last Thursday night’s informational meeting was the first of its kind since the developers received approval from the Town Board in January to submit a final application. During the nearly two-and-a-half-hour meeting, representatives from Discovery Land Company introduced themselves and the work that they’ve done at the 13 other luxury communities they’ve constructed throughout North America, including those in Los Cabos, Mexico, Whitefish, Montana , and Kohala, Hawaii.
“Each is respectful and bases itself on the historical and cultural aspects of each community,” Discovery Land partner Steve Adelson said, referring to his firm’s other completed projects. “We feel that there’s an innate spirit in land, so we feel it’s important to capture that—combining the environmental components along with combining the rich cultural history.”
The pre-application is also projecting that the luxury home and golf course development would generate almost $3.6 million in new annual school taxes, without adding any students to the East Quogue School District. Still, many in the audience were skeptical as to whether the developers could honor that promise, citing other subdivisions in the hamlet that ended up adding children to the district.
Mr. Divita explained that his company’s houses would come with restrictive covenants that would prevent residents from using the homes as their primary residences, and also restrict the amount of time they could spend in the homes during fall, winter and spring months. These restrictions would be monitored by those who manage the property year-round on behalf of the company. Mr. Adelson also noted that a condition of the deeds on the houses would prevent them from being rented out by their owners.
Mr. Divita also offered up a bevy of potential community benefits that could be added to the final PDD application, which has not yet been filed with the town, including the installation of sidewalks along Lewis Road to allow children to walk to school more safely, an on-site wastewater treatment facility for the new development and sponsoring a comprehensive study of the troubled Weesuck Creek watershed.
Donna Lanzetta, the president of the East Quogue Chamber of Commerce and a staunch advocate for The Hills, said the meeting gave the community an opportunity to see how open the developers are addressing their questions and
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concerns. Her organization helped coordinate the informational forum, which was moderated by East Quogue Elementary School Principal Robert Long and Frank Costanza, the editor of The Southampton Press Western Edition.
“We’re just beginning the process of talking about some things, community benefits that will come out of this development,” Ms. Lanzetta said. “I think, in the long run, it’s going to be good for our community. I really do believe that.”

Ms. Lanzetta is a real estate broker.... She must be offering her opinion without any consideration to her personal self interests - right...?
" Jul 27, 16 10:12 PM

Mr. Hissey and his attorney, Wayne Bruyn, did not want the Pine Barrens Commission "to weigh in". That environmental attorney, Carolyn Zenk interrupted the developer from accomplishing this.

Then again, they didn't want the Southampton Trustees to examine the project either...

What are they afraid of?
" Aug 3, 16 3:16 PM

Eight Private Wells In Westhampton Contaminated With Chemicals; Suffolk County Still Testing Water

Well - the Town Board won't be here when the Health Dept. decides we can't go back in the water...
So, what the heck!" Aug 4, 16 3:03 PM

Southampton Town Offer To Purchase The Hills Property In East Quogue Is Rejected

Good.

Save the tax payers money.
Maybe, after the Town denies the MEGA rezoning they thought they would get - it'll stay unbuilt and on the tax rolls for years.
" Aug 5, 16 4:05 PM

I couldn't say it better.

" Aug 5, 16 4:06 PM

The Town Board and their consultants are doing exactly what they should be doing - carefully examining the request for re-zoning. It's a process that will work its way to a rejection. It's not a Republican verses Democrat affair. It's about our neighborhood!

At an appropriate time - the Board will turn down this wildly
aggressive and outrageous application for the biggest zoning change in Southampton Town's history.

It's 5 or 6 years since the area was up-zoned to 5 acres per home. This is the most protected area in the Town. This Town Board - different from the last Board - just voted for a moratorium on considering any new PDD's (massive zoning changes).

They won't back-tract 25 years of protecting our environment. I'm confidant that Jay and the new people on the Board know what's good for our Town - today and for generations to come. This is not new to Jay. He just said that he's been trying to have this property protected for 10 years.

They won't allow more intensive development in the Pine Barrens and over our single source of drinking water. And, who doesn't know about "Red-Tides", Brown-Tides, etc...

We want to fish, swim and drink the water. " Aug 6, 16 2:11 PM

I believe someone from Discovery was quoted in a newspaper or magazine saying that they usually out last the environmentalists.

They think we will lose focus.

"Goliath" thinks "David" doesn't live here anymore !!!

" Aug 6, 16 2:19 PM

The Pines in East Quogue is almost 20 years old. It has about 54 homes built out of 120 building lots.

Extrapolating this suggests that The Hills build out will be in the year 2065 - maybe?" Aug 7, 16 4:16 PM

I believe in Santa.

I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy.

I believe that the Town Board, as it is now populated, will turn down this request for a MEGA-ZONE-CHANGE. And, in due time." Aug 7, 16 4:26 PM

And, I think Mr. Glinka and Ms. Scalera will not be returned to the Town Board if they persist in pushing this "dog" along..." Aug 7, 16 4:30 PM

Environmental Study For The Hills In East Quogue Expected To Be Rejected For Third Time

So much for "open government".

Why doesn't the public have a copy?

Proponents of this massive change of zone keep saying "read the document".
" Aug 19, 16 1:59 AM

Environmental Study For The Hills In East Quogue Rejected For Third Time

Anybody around here realize that the school is currently underutilized?

Today, they have plenty of room if new students should show up. And, may need them!" Aug 24, 16 11:40 PM

Southampton Town Board Delays Adoption Of Environmental Report On 'The Hills' Application

Stan Glinka - The Developers Best Friend on the Town Board:

At the Town Board meeting last Tuesday - Mr. Glinka seems to have been quite disturbed by the developers failing to submit a complete DEIS (for the 4th time). Only problem is he's mad at the public for noticing - not for Kyle Collins getting caught trying to slip the Board a quickie...

Does anyone here detect an odor? Something stinks!

Watch the video of the Town Board meeting online to see his little
belligerent twitching act. " Sep 29, 16 8:05 AM

Roughrider,
Where do we look for campaign contributions?
Thank you very much." Oct 4, 16 5:34 PM

Thanks" Oct 5, 16 9:21 PM

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