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Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Hopefully Thursday's article will contain all the details, including more quotes from the shooter. Ms. Geismar and the weekend reporters have done a great job covering this circus. Kudos to them and to the editors for the daily coverage. The print edition this week will be a collector's item -- they better increase the press run!

That's the good news.

Does it need to be repeated that this has been a circus of historic proportions? The East End will be most curious to hear the results of the necropsy, whether the spinal column was preserved (and the brain), or whether the whole incident will be swept under the carpet.

Rest in Peace, "Montauk."

Hopefully your tortuous demise will change the way similar situations are handled in the future." Apr 13, 10 1:42 PM

According to the daily tabloid to our west, the seventy-three year-old retired veterinarian who fired the fatal shots had never been called upon to kill a live whale with a rifle.

The third shot appears NOT to have killed "Montauk" so:

"A few minutes later, scientists determined it was safe to approach the whale, and administered a lethal injection of phenobarbital."

My goodness, is this entire effort the best we could do?

It might have been more humane to call in an air strike, per an earlier post, of A-10 Warthogs from the ANG bases in Westfield MA and Hartford CT to do a clean kill days earlier, if indeed a clean death is what was wanted by the powers that be!

(Or, perhaps, to have let "Montauk" die with dignity on her/his own over time with no human intervention?)

Were The Human Beings really saving "Montauk" -- or their own discomfort with a tortuous death right in front of their eyes?

Then of course, there was the option of actually moving Montauk out to sea early on.

A Sad Circus IMO." Apr 13, 10 6:14 PM

Oddone sentencing is on for Wednesday

Thanks Michael for the continuing great coverage of this trial. Thank you to the Press for supporting this online coverage of events." Apr 13, 10 6:20 PM

East Hampton plans to eliminate leaf pickup, sell assets

Short-sighted policy IMO.

Cut 1/2 million from the town budget for leaf pick-up, then force homeowners to spend millions to do the same job.

Increased cost plus increased carbon footprint for all the additional vehicles to haul the leaves.

No win, and a big additional burden on our senior citizens.

Very short-sighted IMO.

Unbeleafable!" Apr 13, 10 6:35 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

whale,

I am curious to know what you think of this possible option after our East End whale Montauk foundered on the beach:

"No human action."" Apr 13, 10 7:15 PM

new scientist,

Thank you for your interest in this situation, and your informed posts.

Is your quote from the "Press Conference" above accurate? It appears to have a number of typographical errors.

Also, what press conference are you referencing? Could you please post a URL link?

Thanks." Apr 14, 10 7:15 PM

Officials: Missing dart used to try to euthanize whale most likely washed out to sea

Article updated.

Interesting quote:

"It’s literally looking for a needle in a haystack,” said Trevor Spradlin, a spokesman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. “If it sank and washed out to sea, it’s gone. If it floated, it could be washed up in the surf or floating out at sea. There’s not a tracking device on it. The fact that it hasn’t turned up in the past 72 hours is encouraging that it’s probably gone and will not turn up again.”

Let's emphasize the end of the last sentence:

" . . . it’s probably gone and will not turn up again . . . .”

How can any responsible human being, especially one in a position of high authority, make such a statement?

Why the rush to say this?

Was there a protocol for handling the darts?

Was there a log book kept for the poisonous chemicals released in Woods Hole and the Brooklyn zoo?

Does the incident log book track the use of poisonous chemicals and the darts?

Why was no tether attached to the missing dart for retrieval (or the other darts)?

Were all of the other darts shot into "Montauk" logged and accounted for?

Will the necropsy include a report on the various darts and bullets found in the carcass?

Is anyone at the command level paying attention to these details?

Is the new East End Stranded Animals Task Force going to take charge here?

"Many Rivers to Cross . . . "" Apr 14, 10 7:34 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Article updated about the missing dart:

http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=270925&town=East%20Hampton

Interesting quote:

"It’s literally looking for a needle in a haystack,” said Trevor Spradlin, a spokesman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. “If it sank and washed out to sea, it’s gone. If it floated, it could be washed up in the surf or floating out at sea. There’s not a tracking device on it. The fact that it hasn’t turned up in the past 72 hours is encouraging that it’s probably gone and will not turn up again.”

Let's emphasize the end of the last sentence:

" . . . it’s probably gone and will not turn up again . . . .”

How can any responsible human being, especially one in a position of high authority, make such a statement?

Why the rush to say this?

Was there a protocol for handling the darts?

Was there a log book kept for the poisonous chemicals released in Woods Hole and the Brooklyn zoo?

Does the incident log book track the use of poisonous chemicals and the darts?

Why was no tether attached to the missing dart for retrieval (or the other darts)?

Were all of the other darts shot into "Montauk" logged and accounted for?

Will the necropsy include a report on the various darts and bullets found in the carcass?

Is anyone at the command level paying attention to these details?

Is the new East End Stranded Animals Task Force going to take charge here?

"Many Rivers to Cross . . . "" Apr 14, 10 7:38 PM

Correction:

"East End Stranded Ocean Life Rescue Team"

From the Sag Harbor weekly paper." Apr 14, 10 7:42 PM

Please copy and paste the URL here.

Thanks." Apr 14, 10 8:04 PM

Officials: Missing dart used to try to euthanize whale most likely washed out to sea

Correction:

"East End Stranded Ocean Life Rescue Team"

From the Sag Harbor weekly paper. " Apr 14, 10 8:19 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Thank you new scientist for the link.

I am not sure what point you were trying to make, but in my opinion this might be a good time to take a deep breath and get a good night's sleep.

"Montauk" has gone to bed.

Good night, as well." Apr 14, 10 9:15 PM

Oddone sentenced to 22 years in prison

So much anger!

"Peace on Earth" does not start with anger." Apr 14, 10 9:25 PM

Beached whale in East Hampton put down; euthanization dart missing on Main Beach

Time for a few deep breaths IMO, and a good night's sleep for all IMO.

"Montauk" has moved on." Apr 14, 10 9:43 PM

IRS says Southampton Town comptroller owes $650,000 in back taxes

Yes, if Ms. Wright, or the Supervisor or Town Board, knew about these potential IRS problems before her appointment, there is a real disclosure/credibility problem here IMO.

Anna, take the lead here!" Apr 19, 10 8:21 PM

Oddone sentenced to 22 years in prison

" . . . there will be no retrial . . . " ?

Juror misconduct will be one issue during the appeal, and it is possibly a reversible error IMO, in which case there could be a retrial.

Time will tell." Apr 21, 10 1:23 PM

Oddone attorney files appeal

Michael Wright has done an outstanding job of reporting on this matter IMO. Outstanding, indeed.

Also Mr. Wheeler's posts have contributing much to the discussion.

Forgiveness is a two-way street, Frankly speaking!

(" . . . not working right . . . cliche . . . doesn't fit . . . " -- ???)

Re: the appeal, juror misconduct may be a reversible error IMO. See earlier article comments." Apr 21, 10 6:35 PM

Sergeant Schucht retires from Southampton Village Police Department

What might be on the other side of this Blue Line?" Apr 21, 10 6:37 PM

Oddone attorney files appeal

Regarding the costs of an appeal, if Mr. Oddone is without financial means, he may be be recognized as "indigent," and the transcript costs among others may be covered by NYS.

One of the costs of our precious Liberty and Freedom IMO.

" Apr 22, 10 7:49 PM

This trial occurred in The United States of America.

We have a Constitution which protects our rights to a fair trial.

A fair trial includes jury deliberations free of untoward influence by one or more jurors against another juror whose vote for or against conviction was apparently not clear until the final moment.

Juror misconduct will definitely be an issue on appeal. Although the trial judge chose not to dive into this issue during and after the trial, the appellate courts must address this.

The Constitutional protection for a fair trial (among other protections) exists for ALL of us, even those who have factually committed the violent acts with which they have been charged. Even those who are "thugs, low-life's, murders, creeps, etc. etc. " (check out the range of names in all the comments, they are quite enlightening) are entitled to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which includes a fair trial with a jury which has not conducted itself inappropriately.

THIS IS NOT SOME ABSTRACT INTELLECTUAL NICETY !!!

It is the real life and blood of OUR Constitutional Democracy in action.

Choose it or lose it.

Anyone who disagrees with this Constitutional protection, as applied in this case, is basically asking to go back to England in the 1500's and 1600's, with the Star Chamber. Or back to Russia in the 1950's and 1960's. Or to many other countries throughout history with less protection within their legal systems.

Or back to the South in this country before the 1960's in which many Americans with darker skin were given a "fair trial" and then lynched from the nearest tree, to the chorus of many.

Mr. Reister's death at the ends of Mr. Oddone was indeed a tragic event, but please do not compound the tragedy by de-valuing Mr. Oddone's right to an appeal, nor by denigrating the Constitutional guaranty of a trial clear of juror misconduct.

The appellate courts will deal with all the issues, and render their decisions. This is part of of our Rule of Law, and will take some time.

Again, please choose it or lose it." Apr 26, 10 6:32 PM

Officials want to use Southampton Town's Community Preservation Fund to save Stony Brook Southampton

"actively farmed?"

Great location for a: vineyard; school of wine making; cooking including terraced herb gardens etc.; Native American arts including crops, conservation of the Earth, shell fishing etc..

If you want "actively farmed," consider broadening the definition of farming to include the wind and the sun, install wind turbines and solar panels, and you have "active farming" all over the place, including the terraced herb gardens, vineyards, and so forth. Don't they call them "Wind Farms?"

Not sure the CPF legislation was meant for this kind of project, but . . . .

Farmore imagination at work!" Apr 28, 10 6:36 PM

Publisher of Dan's Papers files for Chapter 11

"What goes up must come down."

It has been noticed that the ads in Dan's have been much thinner this spring, at what would normally be the height of the build-up to summer. Hmmm?

Is this a Dan's problem, or a more general corporate problem from above? What percentage of the Brown Publishing revenues have been from Dan's Papers?

What does all of this say about the general economy, and the economy on the East End?" May 3, 10 5:31 PM

Thiele: Stony Brook rejects idea of maintaining residential campus at Southampton

Sure, shut down a campus which was trying to focus on sustainability issues (which could save The Earth trillions of dollars, and counting) for 6 million cost savings per year.

Are the people running this circus educators, or myopic idiots who need to be educated in macro-economic issues?

Were they in charge of rescuing (murdering) the whale "Montauk" in East Hampton recently?

Where is the long-range planning?

Where is the vision?" May 6, 10 6:32 PM

Dog poisoned; was it whale meat?

What about the larger issue of contaminated whale meat laced with barbiturates from our whale "Montauk?" Would the remains of Montauk have lasted this long in the surf? Doubtful IMO.

Did the dog actually find the missing dart?

The resolution of this may take a while, but could be enlightening IMO." May 6, 10 7:16 PM

PS -- Did the missing dart end up in another whale or shark, whose flesh the dog ate?

Will we ever know the truth about any of this?" May 6, 10 7:18 PM

Westhampton Beach Village tables disciplinary hearings again; former police officer blasts mayor, police chief

Good-Bye Westhampton Beach Village Police Department.

Perhaps the Village should also disband, and become an unincorporated part of Southampton Town?

You can't make this stuff up!" May 7, 10 5:29 PM

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