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Abrupt and tearful end to Stony Brook Southampton dream

A good deal can always be financed. Witness the multi-TRILLION dollar bailout of the financial industry. A sad deal but done and over.

$80 million (top end estimate?) is a bargain IMO.

Plus how many TRILLIONS will the Earth save for a viable Sustainability Vision, perhaps championed by the new generation being trained at Shinnecock College?

Immeasurable IMO, and well worth the investment." Apr 7, 10 8:41 PM

Whale beached in East Hampton survives first attempt at euthanization

A daily Long Island tabloid newspaper is reporting that the whale was darted last night, but that the sedation attempt failed!

This whale does not want to go, but the Human Beings (???) will probably bring out bigger cannons.

You can't make this stuff up!

What happened to death with dignity?

What a circus." Apr 8, 10 12:29 PM

Call me Ishmael, speaking for the beached whale "Montauk."

Now the same daily up-island tabloid (URL links are forbidden here by the paper powers that be) is reporting that another round of darts has been flung into this fine animal, and that the higher powers that be are considering dragging "Montauk" onto the beach to make the murder of this fine soul easier for The Human Beings (?).

Go figure.

Shame on you Chuck, and all other "rescuers."" Apr 8, 10 4:44 PM

Call in an air strike! An ANG A-10 rolling in from Bradley Field in Westfield MA could put this animal out of its misery in short order.

Peace on Earth!" Apr 8, 10 4:47 PM

Correction: Barnes Field, Westfield MA." Apr 8, 10 5:42 PM

Southampton Town looks to confer authority of peace officers on code officers

See the editorial in today's Press." Apr 8, 10 6:44 PM

Whale beached in East Hampton survives first attempt at euthanization

The same daily tabloid is now reporting that a two-foot long tranquilizer dart has been lost at sea, and that divers are attempting to find it. The powers that be ("you call this power?") are not sure if the chemical contents of the dart are still inside. Reading between the lines of the article, it appears that the dart could still release its contents if the someone were to come in contact with the dart's tip (assuming that this did not already happen when the dart was shot, and presumably missed "Montauk" the whale)

The circus goes on!

You can't make this stuff up!

Maybe Mr. Bowman should don a wetsuit and find the dart. Hmmm, was he the bow man who shot the dart?" Apr 9, 10 3:17 PM

The article says there is a 4 PM news conference, but does not indicate its location." Apr 9, 10 3:19 PM

New article posted." Apr 9, 10 3:35 PM

Beached whale in East Hampton put down; euthanization dart missing on Main Beach

I hope the post-mortem of this circus will include a cost/benefit analysis of all the human actions.

In retrospect, might it have been more humane simply to let nature take its course with no human interaction?

Death is natural.

Right now, thousands of wild animals around the planet are dying unimaginable deaths. The difference is that no humans are witnessing these deaths, so they can't meddle in them.

This particular death was so unnatural that it makes my skin crawl." Apr 9, 10 3:40 PM

PS -- Hopefully no human being, or sea creature, will be poisoned by the missing dart, which presumably contains enough chemical to kill a human, if it would tranquilize a 10,000 pound whale!" Apr 9, 10 3:43 PM

Yes, domesticated animals of all types are put down. IMO, this wild and beautiful creature should have been allowed to die on its own. Many will disagree with this view, it is understood." Apr 9, 10 3:45 PM

Hopefully Ms. Geismar and the other reporters will ask the tough questions which MUST be asked at the 4 PM news conf.." Apr 9, 10 3:56 PM

I just reviewed the article, and realize now that the missing dart was intended to euthanize, not tranquilize, the whale. This suggests that a much stronger chemical cocktail is in the missing dart. Is this correct?

Hopefully Ms. Geismar will update this article tonight or tomorrow based on the press conference.

This circus could actually take another turn for the worse IMO.

What a shame." Apr 9, 10 8:04 PM

The same daily tabloid is now reporting that the whale weighed 13 tons, or 26,000 pounds. No wonder the first attempts to haul it out of the surf broke the pulling harness.

Plus, it is hard to imagine towing this much weight out to sea successfully without causing harm to the whale.

One aspect of this event which has not been mentioned is that we are between the full moon and the new moon, a time which has a lower tidal range in general (low tides are higher, and high tides are lower).

If the whale had any chance of getting back to sea (with or without human assistance), those chances waned as the week went on, and the whale's strength failed.
" Apr 9, 10 8:16 PM

New article posted." Apr 9, 10 8:20 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

My goodness, where is Mr. Bowman now?

All this human effort.

One dead whale.

What a dramatic circus!" Apr 9, 10 8:25 PM

See comments in earlier article. The low tidal range this week (in between full and new moons) lessened the chances of the whale making it back to sea (with or without human assistance)." Apr 9, 10 8:36 PM

The local weekly paper to our east is reporting:

"Bob Delagin of the Suffolk Health Department said at the press conference that the effect the full dose of the drug could have on a human had not yet been determined. "We're trying to learn as much as we can about the agents in that dart," he said."

What ???

You shot an arrow into the air, and it fell to Earth, you know not where? Plus you did not even know what poison the arrow contained?

Wake up the circus-master. The ante has just been raised!" Apr 9, 10 9:09 PM

The daily tabloid to the west is reporting that the missing dart has not been found.

Regarding the post-mortem of the dead whale "Montauk," are they going to preserve the spinal column? Is it possible that the whale (due to being beached for days and shoved around in the surf) suffered a spinal column problem, which led to its inability to swim on its own back out to sea?

If the necropsy is negative for other causes of death, the spinal column might be crucial evidence? All the published reports suggest that the intent of the powers that be is do bury the carcass, or perhaps incinerate it.

Would this be destruction of evidence in a possible criminal trial for murdering a member of a federally protected endangered species (assuming no other cause of death can be found)?" Apr 11, 10 9:56 AM

A new article was filed here last night regarding the still-missing dart. See link above." Apr 11, 10 1:27 PM

Dart used to try to kill whale in East Hampton is still missing

If the necropsy finds no cause of death and no illness, then the spinal column should be preserved to determine if the whale's inability to swim back out to see was due to nerve damage to the spinal column because of the beaching and subsequent action off the waves.

The destruction of the spinal column by incineration or burial at this point would be seen, at best, as a possible cover-up, and later perhaps as destruction of evidence in a criminal proceeding.

If the whale "Montauk" was healthy when shot to death, then this entire event will have to be named:

THE "MONTAUK" MASSACRE." Apr 11, 10 1:33 PM

New article -- dart washed out to sea?" Apr 11, 10 2:42 PM

Officials: Missing dart used to try to euthanize whale most likely washed out to sea

UPDATE -- THE "MONTAUK" MASSACRE:

Dart "most likely washed out to sea."

Hmmm, was it full or empty? Did it sink or float away? Seems nobody knows. No tracking device.

And apparently no one thought to attach a retrieval line to the dart before it became an "an arrow shot into the air, which landed who knows where?"

Montauk's spinal column is potential evidence in a criminal investigation and should be preserved in a refrigerated container (or freezer reefer) for now. Destruction of this possible evidence could be a criminal act in and of itself IMO.

The custodians of the whale "Montauk" are hereby notified that tampering with the whale carcass, failure to preserve it for further analysis, or destruction of it, will be punishable to the full extent of the law.

SAVE "MONTAUK"!!!

PS -- I am somewhat surprised that the Town Trustees, our guardians of rights under the Dongan Patent have not stepped in here to assert their authority from England under this Patent and the common law. These rights pre-date the USA and are still currently active and valid. The whale "Montauk" was killed on Town Trustee property IMO, and the Trustees should seize the carcass to protect it, and its evidentiary potential." Apr 11, 10 2:56 PM

Daily tabloid west of us is now reporting that an injured seal pup was found this morning just west of "Montauk's" last location, and that the Riverhead Foundation was called in for "the rescue!"

Any chance that this seal has a puncture wound from the dart?

Call in the fox to guard the chicken coop!" Apr 11, 10 3:32 PM

Nature,

Yes, the name "Montauk ' was suggested in a previous post. Personifying the victim is a good thing in this pseudo-scientific circus. The dead whale is not just another whale, it is OUR "Montauk," and the community should own the resolution of this event.

Regarding the Notification of tampering/destruction etc. with evidence, please note the word "hereby." If anyone involved in the custody of Montauk's carcass reads this notification, or is informed about it, he or she will have received Actual Notice of the possible illegality of their actions, regardless of the silence and abdication of responsibility of those with actual legal authority to issue such notice. Actual Notice supplants legal notice when appropriate.

Query -- has any legal authority stepped forward and issued any such Notification to preserve the evidence? No, it would appear that they want to bury or incinerate the evidence ASAP. Hmmm, does this make anyone wonder?

IMO the Dongan Patent granted power to the Trustees to control the shallow-water shoreline of the ocean, as well as the bay bottoms. Granted, this may not be recognized by controlling case law. Remember, however, that this Patent predated the formation of the USA. It WAS the controlling law regarding local waters, and again IMO, it did not "stop" at the ocean high water line.

I am still curious why the Trustees have been so silent in this matter. Where are their scallops?" Apr 11, 10 6:18 PM

Why has no legal authority stopped the destruction of evidence? What are they hiding?" Apr 11, 10 8:52 PM

Please see your disclaimer about not being combative or defensive.

Please answer why no legal authority has stopped the destruction of Montauk's precious body. What is the rush?

" Apr 11, 10 9:24 PM

Preservation of evidence is routine just in case something criminal was done.

Your attitude BTW is completely combative and maybe defensive IMO.

The destruction of Montauk's body will ensure that an investigation will occur.

Are you involved in, or related to someone taking part in, the failed rescue effort? This might be a good time to come clean.


Your increasing combativeness belies your initial disclaimer IMO.

Good night. " Apr 11, 10 9:50 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Hopefully Thursday's article will contain all the details, including more quotes from the shooter. Ms. Geismar and the weekend reporters have done a great job covering this circus. Kudos to them and to the editors for the daily coverage. The print edition this week will be a collector's item -- they better increase the press run!

That's the good news.

Does it need to be repeated that this has been a circus of historic proportions? The East End will be most curious to hear the results of the necropsy, whether the spinal column was preserved (and the brain), or whether the whole incident will be swept under the carpet.

Rest in Peace, "Montauk."

Hopefully your tortuous demise will change the way similar situations are handled in the future." Apr 13, 10 1:42 PM

According to the daily tabloid to our west, the seventy-three year-old retired veterinarian who fired the fatal shots had never been called upon to kill a live whale with a rifle.

The third shot appears NOT to have killed "Montauk" so:

"A few minutes later, scientists determined it was safe to approach the whale, and administered a lethal injection of phenobarbital."

My goodness, is this entire effort the best we could do?

It might have been more humane to call in an air strike, per an earlier post, of A-10 Warthogs from the ANG bases in Westfield MA and Hartford CT to do a clean kill days earlier, if indeed a clean death is what was wanted by the powers that be!

(Or, perhaps, to have let "Montauk" die with dignity on her/his own over time with no human intervention?)

Were The Human Beings really saving "Montauk" -- or their own discomfort with a tortuous death right in front of their eyes?

Then of course, there was the option of actually moving Montauk out to sea early on.

A Sad Circus IMO." Apr 13, 10 6:14 PM

Oddone sentencing is on for Wednesday

Thanks Michael for the continuing great coverage of this trial. Thank you to the Press for supporting this online coverage of events." Apr 13, 10 6:20 PM

East Hampton plans to eliminate leaf pickup, sell assets

Short-sighted policy IMO.

Cut 1/2 million from the town budget for leaf pick-up, then force homeowners to spend millions to do the same job.

Increased cost plus increased carbon footprint for all the additional vehicles to haul the leaves.

No win, and a big additional burden on our senior citizens.

Very short-sighted IMO.

Unbeleafable!" Apr 13, 10 6:35 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

whale,

I am curious to know what you think of this possible option after our East End whale Montauk foundered on the beach:

"No human action."" Apr 13, 10 7:15 PM

new scientist,

Thank you for your interest in this situation, and your informed posts.

Is your quote from the "Press Conference" above accurate? It appears to have a number of typographical errors.

Also, what press conference are you referencing? Could you please post a URL link?

Thanks." Apr 14, 10 7:15 PM

Officials: Missing dart used to try to euthanize whale most likely washed out to sea

Article updated.

Interesting quote:

"It’s literally looking for a needle in a haystack,” said Trevor Spradlin, a spokesman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. “If it sank and washed out to sea, it’s gone. If it floated, it could be washed up in the surf or floating out at sea. There’s not a tracking device on it. The fact that it hasn’t turned up in the past 72 hours is encouraging that it’s probably gone and will not turn up again.”

Let's emphasize the end of the last sentence:

" . . . it’s probably gone and will not turn up again . . . .”

How can any responsible human being, especially one in a position of high authority, make such a statement?

Why the rush to say this?

Was there a protocol for handling the darts?

Was there a log book kept for the poisonous chemicals released in Woods Hole and the Brooklyn zoo?

Does the incident log book track the use of poisonous chemicals and the darts?

Why was no tether attached to the missing dart for retrieval (or the other darts)?

Were all of the other darts shot into "Montauk" logged and accounted for?

Will the necropsy include a report on the various darts and bullets found in the carcass?

Is anyone at the command level paying attention to these details?

Is the new East End Stranded Animals Task Force going to take charge here?

"Many Rivers to Cross . . . "" Apr 14, 10 7:34 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Article updated about the missing dart:

http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=270925&town=East%20Hampton

Interesting quote:

"It’s literally looking for a needle in a haystack,” said Trevor Spradlin, a spokesman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. “If it sank and washed out to sea, it’s gone. If it floated, it could be washed up in the surf or floating out at sea. There’s not a tracking device on it. The fact that it hasn’t turned up in the past 72 hours is encouraging that it’s probably gone and will not turn up again.”

Let's emphasize the end of the last sentence:

" . . . it’s probably gone and will not turn up again . . . .”

How can any responsible human being, especially one in a position of high authority, make such a statement?

Why the rush to say this?

Was there a protocol for handling the darts?

Was there a log book kept for the poisonous chemicals released in Woods Hole and the Brooklyn zoo?

Does the incident log book track the use of poisonous chemicals and the darts?

Why was no tether attached to the missing dart for retrieval (or the other darts)?

Were all of the other darts shot into "Montauk" logged and accounted for?

Will the necropsy include a report on the various darts and bullets found in the carcass?

Is anyone at the command level paying attention to these details?

Is the new East End Stranded Animals Task Force going to take charge here?

"Many Rivers to Cross . . . "" Apr 14, 10 7:38 PM

Correction:

"East End Stranded Ocean Life Rescue Team"

From the Sag Harbor weekly paper." Apr 14, 10 7:42 PM

Please copy and paste the URL here.

Thanks." Apr 14, 10 8:04 PM

Officials: Missing dart used to try to euthanize whale most likely washed out to sea

Correction:

"East End Stranded Ocean Life Rescue Team"

From the Sag Harbor weekly paper. " Apr 14, 10 8:19 PM

Whale killed with bullet; experts defend how beaching was handled

Thank you new scientist for the link.

I am not sure what point you were trying to make, but in my opinion this might be a good time to take a deep breath and get a good night's sleep.

"Montauk" has gone to bed.

Good night, as well." Apr 14, 10 9:15 PM

Oddone sentenced to 22 years in prison

So much anger!

"Peace on Earth" does not start with anger." Apr 14, 10 9:25 PM

Beached whale in East Hampton put down; euthanization dart missing on Main Beach

Time for a few deep breaths IMO, and a good night's sleep for all IMO.

"Montauk" has moved on." Apr 14, 10 9:43 PM

IRS says Southampton Town comptroller owes $650,000 in back taxes

Yes, if Ms. Wright, or the Supervisor or Town Board, knew about these potential IRS problems before her appointment, there is a real disclosure/credibility problem here IMO.

Anna, take the lead here!" Apr 19, 10 8:21 PM

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