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Feb 25, 2015 2:13 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Wednesday Afternoon Crash On County Road 39 Caused By Driver Who Fell Asleep

Mar 5, 2015 10:34 AM

UPDATE: Thursday, 11:10 a.m.

On Thursday morning, police confirmed that the head-on collision on County Road 39 Wednesday afternoon was caused by a driver who fell asleep at the wheel.

According to police, a male driver in his 60s was traveling east in the right lane on County Road 39 around 1:30 p.m. when he fell asleep. His vehicle crossed over into the left lane, over the median, and into the right lane on the west-bound side, where he collided with a Southampton Town Highway Department truck near Sandy Hollow Road.

Police said they were not identifying the man at this time. They also did not know if his falling asleep was medical-related.

The driver was transported to Southampton Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

UPDATE: 2:50 p.m.

One male was transported by Southampton Volunteer Ambulance to Southampton Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries Wednesday afternoon following a head-on collision on County Road 39 in Southampton.

Additional reports also said that the second victim was transported to Southampton Hospital as well by Southampton Village Volunteer Ambulance.

According to police, the road, which was closed from Sandy Hollow Road to Magee Street, will be reopened by 3 p.m.

Original Story

Southampton Town Police responded to a vehicle accident on County Road 39 near Sandy Hollow Road in Southampton on Wednesday afternoon that closed the road in both directions.

According to Southampton Town Police Sergeant Susan Ralph, a Southampton Town Highway Department trailer collided head-on with another vehicle, causing two non-life-threatening injuries. As of 2:15 p.m., no victims were transported to a hospital.

Southampton Volunteer Ambulance, Southampton Village Volunteer Ambulance and the Southampton Fire Department also responded to the scene, according to Sgt. Ralph.

County Road 39 was closed in both directions between Sandy Hollow Road and Magee Street.

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this is right where the new mega mini mall & KK are going to be .. thanks for the PDD.
darn that looks dangerous !! and will only get worse
By david h (405), southampton on Feb 25, 15 3:17 PM
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Oooh, a grocery store on that spot would be so convenient! When the roads not closed to clear accidents, that is.

Hope everyone involved is well. 39 is a deadly stretch of road. Don't make it worse, Anna!!
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Feb 25, 15 5:00 PM
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We don't need a grocery store, a bagel place, a gas station, PC Richard, the laundry place, a Latino deli, a pizza place, a liquor store, a bedding shop, another pizza place, a bar, a hardware store or an empty college campus either. That is not the point. we also don't need posters with an agenda capitalizing on an auto accident and feigning concern without the ability to accurately correlate the two issues.
By GG Alin (11), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 11:50 AM
This article makes it sound like the highway worker was at fault. The driver of the car unfortunatly fell asleep at the wheel and drove into the town highway rig. Very unfortunate accident but not the fault of the truck driver.
By NorthSeaNative (34), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 5:28 PM
Glad to hear everyone is ok after another traffic accident on death road CR 39. A new supermarket and shopping mall along this stretch of roadway is just what's needed.
By BillWillConn3 (180), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 7:15 PM
I agree with both of your statements. Using your logic, the 100s of thousands of automobiles that traverse CR39 through Tuckahoe, without incident, are a very strong endorsement of the safety of that corridor. Bad drivers are responsible for bad driving, not the businesses that happen to be along said roads.
By GG Alin (11), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 11:55 AM
It's not a mega-mall, nor is it a PDD. The traffic there will be managed as part of the plan to upgrade the area to make it safe for the grocery store. Stop fear-mongering.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 10:14 PM
Don't we all, except those on the take, believe this stretch of roadway is bad for a strip mall/grocery complex?
By Killerfrog (38), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 10:56 PM
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change is the only constant

its hard for us who have lived here all of our lives to accept the new construction on every last parcel and the emerging big business' that are taking over a once small tight knit community.

also, when did north fork property (under one million) become as expensive as south and east hampton property with double the tax? i have mistakenly always thought that could be a cheaper, less populated solution...
By llimretaw (118), watermill on Feb 27, 15 5:48 PM
a traffic tunnel
By david h (405), southampton on Feb 26, 15 8:22 AM
The CR 39 and Magee junction is just about the worst place one could put a huge 40,000 sq ft high traffic supermarket. Right on the corner where some Tuckahoe kids cross to go to and from Tuckahoe School at Magee St.

Of course Rickenbacker, ie, one of the developers or friends of same, those risks will be managed. Ask him how he will manage a speeding car barreling through that corner with the driver fast asleep like this one? This is why all the Town and county studies limited the businesses ...more
By Obbservant (446), southampton on Feb 26, 15 8:29 AM
So because a driver fell asleep, a grocery store should not be built?

Wow if that's not a non-sequitur, I don't know what is.

Increased volume of vehicles would actually SLOW traffic (bringing it at least near the posted speed limit).

The biggest issue with that road is speed. How often have you seen cops pulling people over? If there was some enforcement, that road would be much safer.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 9:33 AM
oh its a grocery store? just a grocery store ok cool .. a 7 acre grocery store... with residences proposed.
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increased vehicle volume to greater safety theory 101 .. completely disagree with that. so ill counter your cool word 'non-sequitur' with another cool concept: logical fallacy.
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cops pulling people over ?? .. where, there?? and pull them over to what the pc ricardo, the church, the new sidewalk ?? .. there is NO PLACE for a policia car to hide trying to catch speeders ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Feb 26, 15 10:41 AM
Why is it that, if I disagree with your opinion, that I must be somehow corrupted? Does your worldview not allow for people who don’t disagree with you? This accident could have happened anywhere. How about a couple of years ago when an elderly man careened into the front door of Barrister’s, sideswiping about 5 cars in the process. Should we have closed Main Street to shopping? Accidents occur all over the area, even on backroads and village streets, this isn’t particular to that ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 10:47 AM
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you are acting like he called you names .. you made at him bro ??
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your entire post is also pure logical fallacy ! your reasoning is lame and tangential. pull up the logical fallacy website, its very thought provoking. your comments are like a perfect checklist.
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ive read your posts and it sure seems like you do have an interest in this thing.. you have said you don't; but why are you so for it?? just for convenience? develop 7 acres just to add a little convenience?? that's ...more
By Tester58 (1), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 11:59 AM
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Rickenbacker, you are sounding more and more desperate and absurd crafting a juvenile alternate universe. You are comparing an extremely rare accident sideswiping of five cars on Main St. with such a frequent and dangerous place for serious and fatal accidents that happen with predictably frequent regularity many, many times a year, year in and year out, tying up traffic to the West up to Westhampton, Remsenburg, and Manorville when traffic literally comes to a standstill?

You have more ...more
By Obbservant (446), southampton on Feb 28, 15 12:01 AM
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Hey david - what's with the "policia" and "pc ricardo" ? Spell check not working, or you have an underlying agenda?

You think that enforcement of the speed limit is impossible on the road due to a lack of places to pull people over?

Nah, it's just a lack of enforcement by local PD who don't want to be bothered catching speeders on a County Road.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Mar 11, 15 11:58 AM
hey I never saw this .. I think I was responding to your comment: "The biggest issue with that road is speed. How often have you seen cops pulling people over? If there was some enforcement, that road would be much safer."
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meaning to say that there is no chance for police (or policia) to arrange an effective trap and safe place to pull people over in that high speed stretch of road.
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I sort of have a 2nd agenda .. I do press #2 for espanol and I buy metrocards in espanol .. ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 24, 15 8:20 AM
the latter
By tester11 (1), manorville on Mar 24, 15 12:35 PM
Thank you for updating the article to reflect that the town driver was not at fault as the article was originally written. Very sorry for the man in the car that fell asleep, just happy that all are ok :-)
By NorthSeaNative (34), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 11:23 AM
Check out Rickenabacker's letter in this week's Southampton Press. You won't have to look hard to find it. No one cares if he is "corrupt" or not; he is an aging flunky who discovered his fervent desire for a huge supermarket and shopping center when a developer decided to build one against the community's wishes. In his world a stadium sized supermarket is small and a handful of other flunkies singing the same song is "overwhelming'.support If this monstrosity gets approved look for him working ...more
By Phanex (83), Southampton on Feb 27, 15 7:45 AM
You may voice your personal opposition to the project. You may cite the opposition of others you know are opposed. But to declare that building this project is "against the community's wishes" is simply your imagination playing games with you as is a reference to a "stadium sized supermarket" less than 40,000 square feet.

Hyperbole does not bolster your argument - it diminishes it.
By VOS (1230), WHB on Feb 27, 15 8:09 PM
So would you support a community referendum to decide whether to build this monstrosity or not. Then we can show that the community opposes this temple of developer greed.

Fat chance, since Anna will not be able to control that and will just rattle off her usual Anna-speak that leaves many scratching their heads because she has to pay back Morrow's substantial contributions to her evident in public filings and she can expect mor of the same for her future campaigns. Same goes with some ...more
By Obbservant (446), southampton on Feb 28, 15 12:10 AM
Morrow's paid lackeys would rather see increased traffic and accidents than admit to the one real truth in this issue: this is the WRONG place for a seven acre shopping mall that will generate ten times more traffic than anything else you could put there under CURRENT zoning.

No, this is not a PDD, it is worse - this is a private developer with politicians in his pocket that thinks the rules don't apply to him because of the size of his wallet.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Feb 27, 15 5:33 PM
Read a Mr Florio's letter today in the Press - sounds an awful lot like Rickenbacker. Their lack of a coherent, factual argument for the shopping mall makes me wonder why they are such fervent cheerleaders for Morrow.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Feb 27, 15 7:34 PM
Driving tired is just as reckless as driving drunk. Maybe if they put a Starbucks in with the KK, drivers can get a cup of coffee and be more alert on 39;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 15 10:05 AM
Southampton College, at it's capacity had 2,000 students and several hundred day students many of whom had cars. There were no traffic issues then. The only drivers that cause traffic on CR39 are drivers that are not from the East End. When they are done attacking people with the same old tired, low brow hyperbole, the unkempt antiques got nothin'.
By GG Alin (11), Southampton on Mar 1, 15 9:01 AM
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When the college was at it's capacity CR39 was still a two lane road with shoulders.
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 1, 15 11:30 AM
If what you are saying is that there was significantly less capacity, with significantly more volume, you would be correct. With faculty, administration and other assorted traffic, the college far exceeded the proposed mini-mart's estimated trickle of traffic. You can buzz right by Stop-n-Shop in HB without even knowing it's there. Not exactly the blood-bath that the same weary voices warned you about. In fact, I see the majority of the people that were against the Stop-n-Shop in there. Most ...more
By GG Alin (11), Southampton on Mar 1, 15 7:24 PM
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What I am saying is that regardless of volume, at that time CR39 was a much safer road due to the fact that it was one wider lane each direction with shoulders.
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 3, 15 9:06 AM
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The problem with CR39 isn't a future shopping center or sleeping drivers. The problem with CR39 is the foolish expansion to four undersized lanes, a turning lane and no sidewalks or shoulders. While traffic used to be nicely contained back on Sunrise Highway, it now runs thru to the new merge in Watermill. Heavy traffic flies past blind driveways and tight shopping center cuts. The solution to this is to put the highway back the way it was. Two lanes with shoulders. Put the traffic back on Sunrise ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 1, 15 12:00 PM
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Foolish expansion Bird. Are you out of your mind? The commute has been tremendously reduced. The expansion was a homerun. Almost every accident can be attributed to poor driving, not the road. Don't like it, don't drive on it.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 1, 15 5:25 PM
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I'd be willing to bet the families of all the people killed and maimed aren't looking at it as a home run. Nor the people who used to have houses on nice redidential roads who now have the trade parade directed in front of their houses. And I guess your commute must end in Southampton cause all the expansion did was to move the merge from the end of Sunrise to the entry to Watermill. From there out it's the same as it was before. And since the only people the "reduced commut" helps are from up West, ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 3, 15 9:21 AM
Yes, let's close all roads that have had fatal accidents Bird. That will fix it. How about all of the people who no longer have the trade parade going by their house because traffic moves much better on 39.? I guess they don't count.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 15 7:16 PM
Anybody who had the trade parade before still has it. What the expansion did was move a lot more concentrated volume further East and that volume has taken to the secondary roads as a way to get to the new Watermill merge putting the parade in front of a lot of additional houses. All the expansion really did was to move the problem further East when it was contained very nicely on a limited access highway. As for closing all roads that have had a fatality that would be ridiculous. It is also ridiculous ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 4, 15 1:47 PM
Absolutely false Bird. The trade parade using back roads from the canal to Southampton was greatly reduced. Gone are the backups down Fanning Ave, Hill Station and Longview Rd not to mention many others. Did you regularly drive any of these roads? I am perplexed that anyone could consider the expansion a failure.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 4, 15 6:41 PM
I drive Mtk Hwy from HB East regularly and trafic there is as it was. SH village has pushed some traffic back up onto 39 by lowering their speed limit to 25 and the traffic on Sebonic has been pushed back onto 39 by the left turn prohibition heading East. I also travel NS Mecox and Lower 7 Ponds. Also Flying Point and Cobb Rds. All these have now become the short cuts into Watermill to avoid the single lane 39 from the diner East. And none of this addresses the fact that 39 from Sunrise to the diner ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 5, 15 1:06 PM
The problem with the backroads through Water Mill existed long before the expansion. I drive 39 from Hampton Bays every day and have never felt unsafe. It is leaps and bounds better than it was before the expansion. It used to be gridlock on both 39 and Montauk Hwy. What used to take upwards of 45-60 minutes now takes 15.

I don't have stats but I would guess that most accidents on 39 can be attributed to poor, reckless or inexperienced driving.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 15 6:00 PM
I agree with you that the accidents are largely attributable to poor driving skills and distracted drivers. The rest we will just have to agree to disagree on


By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 5, 15 7:19 PM
Agreed Bird;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 15 8:37 PM
^ yeah, that'll work
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Mar 1, 15 12:15 PM
To obbservant, david h and witch hazel, again, if you on’t agree with someone's pinion on ab issue, why can’t you simply debate it without personal attacks on commenteus? And why not stick to facts rather than pump-up-the-volume hysterics? That’s what I asked above, and that comment was just answered ny you with e(er more invective.

What’s stunning to me is all the bad information you throw around as fact, I suppose qn tho hopes that someone might believe you ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Mar 1, 15 12:44 PM
To obbservant, david h and witch hazel, again, if you don’t agree with someone's opinion on an issue, why can’t you simply debate it without personal attacks on commenters? And why not stick to facts rather than pump-up-the-volume hysterics? That’s what I asked above, and that comment was just answered by you with ever more invective. 

What’s stunning to me is all the bad information you throw around as fact, I suppose in the hopes that someone might believe ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Mar 1, 15 12:46 PM
I respect the essay. not easy to write a complete set of thoughts on this - and sarcasm never works. and I do respect this and will re-read.
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im pretty sure I dint call u any names
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..but already I like the 2 next posts below by witch Hzel and bigfresh better.
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"i say: Leave country country"
(developers wanted to put condos on the north shore of hawaii. sure glad they were defeated and glad they didn't consult Rickenbacker)
holding off the developers is a pipedream ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 1, 15 10:51 PM
Rickenbacker, how can one make a "personal attack" on a fictitious screen name?

As for what would be better than the grocery store? Anything that fits into current zoning and which is no bigger than the recommended 15,000 square feet. Zoning restrictions are there for a reason and this 7 acre, 70,000 square foot mega-monster, if approved, will set precedent for all ego-maniacal developers who follow.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Mar 1, 15 8:23 PM
It's a disgusting trend here in Queen Anna's Land , developers ask for a change of zoning, contribute to Her Royal Highness' campaign and voila, the change is rammed through , no matter how much the peasants resist and protest, She gets it done. The CPI debacle, mega density in North Sea and now the looming King Kullen application. What ever happened to developing within the existing zoning regulations? The UTI (Up the Island) transplants are turning our beautiful area into the very overdeveloped ...more
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Mar 1, 15 9:46 PM
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An interesting debate but, in the end, academic.

This is another multi-million dollar development that requires a zoning exception/change to go forward. There are three votes on the town board that will approve the application because of their ideological bias favoring big construction projects over the interests of residents who don't have any money to spend.

It's only a matter of time. Locals should steal a march on the inevitable by planning mitigation strategies now. Waiting ...more
By highhatsize (4182), East Quogue on Mar 2, 15 3:06 AM
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You mean even if they call CR39 a death road and the puny mini-mart a "70,000 square foot mega-monster"? You would think using phrases like "mega density", "superprofits" and "rammed through" would be effective. Sounds like the "peasants" in "Queen Anna's Land" will be subject to the ''ego-maniacal mega developers", which is fine as long as they have a "mega" organic veggie section.
By GG Alin (11), Southampton on Mar 2, 15 1:45 PM
Oh great. Now, along with speeding drivers who are late for work, visitors who only drive 8 days per year, people who are talking on their cellphones and people who are texting, flooding, ice and snow I have to worry about people falling asleep at 1:30 in the afternoon on CR 39? What next, lost hang gliders?

BTW, if that supermarket gets built, the town better not try to keep me off the backroads when traffic gets heavy. I pay my taxes and I demand to use the back roads whenever I feel ...more
By btdt (449), water mill on Mar 2, 15 4:51 PM
you are losing one of your raods to shinnecock golf course right now .. but at leas the town isn't maintaining any llonger ..alsthough you are getting billed as if they were maintaining it
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 2, 15 8:49 PM
Good luck with that btdt.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 15 7:18 PM
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Anyone against the supermarket is obviously a resident of Southampton village who do not want it in their backyard. Guess what , you villagers take care of business within your jurisdiction. Its obvious you are anti-business, look at the history of supermarket chains within your district!
By Walt (292), Southampton on Mar 4, 15 5:25 PM
It's not wise to generalize. I definitely do not live in the village and I strongly oppose this project!
By S'hamptonNative (83), Southampton on Mar 5, 15 9:27 PM
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I do not live in the village and I am opposed to this project, too. I am grateful that it is easy to shop for most of what I need in a few blocks in the village. I can also go to the farmer's market in the village in the summer, early in the morning to find parking. It saves me time. More importantly it saves me energy. I prefer to visit the friendly, helpful, local businesses and their employees. Once in a while I may regretfully need to go to a big store in crowded Riverhead. I do not want driving ...more
By QuietLife (61), Southampton on Mar 6, 15 12:38 PM
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This project, of course, would in no way be comparable to the experience of 58 in Riverhead. That's just ridiculous. Suggesting that CR 39 and 58 have some sort of similarity is simply designed to induce fear and divert attention from the fact that there is real need for something sensible to be built on that location, something that actually serves the local non-village community.

Let’s look at what you are saying when you throw out the 58 comparison. Stand anywhere on 58 and look ...more
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Mar 8, 15 10:49 AM
The scale is not the point.

The effect is. What effect will this have? What doors to other development may it open? Monkey see, monkey do, monkey have, monkey want. There are already people too dumb to leave PC Richard and go to the traffic light up the street to make a left turn.

Just think, people who have such stellar driving skills will be cruising down the "back roads" to avoid CR39...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Mar 8, 15 11:38 AM
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disagree with you once again.
these mini mega developments and all these new condos are gateway developments to the big stuff of the future.
ok maybe wont be like riverhead yet but certainly like the blasphemy of Myrtle Beach or Sea Isle City NJ.
..its like no one even notices the massive new greek orthodox structure because of the torrid pace of recent development.
in no time there will be glass high rises in the village and "much needed" parking garages at the beaches ... and ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 11, 15 10:36 AM
I am responding to Rickenabacker whom I repeatedly disagree with.

.. I wonder if he is a developer or real estate agent / I cant figure out his dedicated interest to this project simply because he finds it more convenient or better than whatever else would hypothetically be developed in its place .. how about nothing>
oh right, its America and our destiny is a highly dense and completely developed long island as fast as possible.
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I am sad to see these huge development companies ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 11, 15 11:15 AM
Myrtle Beach? Sea Isle City? You are comparing a NJ boardwalk and the the SC mecca of miniature golf to CR 39? This isn't an open land grab, it's development of already zoned commercial space. Those are such bad examples, I just need to stop here.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Mar 11, 15 9:19 PM
Levittown.
..someone else made an analogy to Levittown.
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 24, 15 8:13 AM
sea isle doesn't have a boardwalk. and both towns are jam packed with developments. like us. mini golf resort town yes, but mor importantly its a single road jam packed w min malls, strip malls and fully developed. theres no country left..i wonder if you know what I mean by 'country'.the way its used in Hawaii & how Hawaii has fended off a lot of development. and California long ago.. not city.
the hamptons is getting citifed. it bothers me but you seem to love it and enable it .. are you one ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 12, 15 10:50 AM
Curious David - at what time were Southampton and Easthampton "optimally developed" in your opinion?

10 years ago? 30 years ago? 50 years ago? 100 years ago?

I'm not saying MORE development is the answer, but it is generally the evolution of things as our world population increases. Do you think that 50 years ago, local residents thought that their town was being destroyed by the increase in beach cottages and summer homes?
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Mar 12, 15 11:47 AM
The problem isn't development, it's the over development and development out of zoning. The problem is that almost every ppd that goes before the town board is approved despite the fact that the benefits go only to the developers and perhaps some members of the town board. The problem is that variances are routinely approved without there being any financial hardship other than self imposed hardships leading to oversized houses on undersized lots and the destruction of affordable housing which is ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 12, 15 10:14 PM
I get your point Nature.
I'd actually love to hear your answer ..
I don't think 50 years ago they did. since you ask .. I think that Norman Jaffe probably inspired the 1st disgust for 'new design' .. but the pace has accelerated like a derivative.
but you know that a house, a road or 2 or a mall or 2 back then incomparable to the pace at hand
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I just spent time having to drive around Newtown Square PA .. Foxctacher area ..ok im not saying it should have remained a massive ...more
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 15, 15 9:02 PM
Thanks for the reply - was going to give you a hard time for the long wait but it appears you were away. Saw foxcatcher this weekend and read that they divided up the property which surprised me a bit.

But it's a double edged sword - like this properties on the Gold Coast in Nassau. Beautiful estates, big sprawling lawns, immaculate gardens. We (the general, middle class public) deride the owners of such properties saying it's excessive, it's too much, no one person should have that ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Mar 15, 15 10:16 PM
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By david h (405), southampton on Mar 16, 15 10:03 AM
Agree with what you say above. However, just wanted to point out that there is no apartment housing in this application. The original PPD proposal contained apartment housing, but that was withdrawn. The remaining land which the developer owns, which is zoned R-20, is not affected by this application, and the developer has stated to the town board that as a condition of a zoning change approval he will not attempt to develop that land (the former IGHL property) commercially.
By Rickenbacker (257), Southampton on Mar 18, 15 8:58 AM
how do you know all this so well ?
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I think you have a stake in it ..
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do you live nearby ?
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 23, 15 9:44 AM
my taxes are going up again ..
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when does all this development starting actually "lowering my taxes" like all the pro-development people keep saying ??
By david h (405), southampton on Mar 20, 15 11:26 AM
"when does all this development starting actually "lowering my taxes" like all the pro-development people keep saying ??"

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Development raises taxes - doesn't lower them. Keep your hand on your wallet and wait for the tugging sensation.
By bird (824), Southampton on Mar 20, 15 11:42 AM
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