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Jul 15, 2019 1:20 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Sag Harbor Interdependence Walk Takes Place Sunday

Marchers make their way down Main Street during the second March for Interdependence at the windmill on Long Wharf in Sag Harbor on Sunday. MICHAEL HELLER
Jul 17, 2019 12:16 PM

On Sunday, large crowds gathered in Sag Harbor Village to participate in the town’s second annual Interdependence Walk.

Organized by the Organizacion Latino-Americana of Eastern Long Island (OLA), the Shinnecock Indian Nation, the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of the East End, and other individual members of the community, the walk was intended to show solidarity for families currently separated at the U.S. southern border, and to demonstrate the importance of interdependence on one another as a community, according to Frances Sacks, who works for OLA.

The event began with a traditional Shinnecock prayer. Minerva Perez, executive director of OLA, and Rabbi Dan Geffen, of Temple Adas Israel in Sag Harbor, also offered comments while demonstrators were gathered at the windmill, prior to walking through the village.

“It is our common responsibility to protect,” Mr. Geffen said in an interview on Sunday. “Even though it may seem trite to march, moments in history start like this.”

Participants marched through Sag Harbor’s Main Street wielding signs with messages of “We are all immigrants,” and “Hate has no home here,” while also uniting in chants of “Education, not deportation.” The march completed a loop around the village before reconvening at the windmill.

And although signs and chants carried similar messages, demonstrators themselves hailed from different parts of the extended East End community.

Francesca Rheannon of East Hampton is a member of the Jewish community. Ms. Rheannon, whose father was Dutch, remembers her father telling her stories of how Jewish people were “taken out of Amsterdam like fish in a net” during World War II, and she attributed the importance of participating in the Interdependence Walk to not letting a similar situation arise again.

“What I’m seeing is something I never thought I would see in the U.S.,” she said. “We do have concentration camps on the border.”

Jon Lopez of Sag Harbor said that the Interdependence Walk holds personal importance to him. Mr. Lopez is a first-generation American. Both of his parents immigrated to the United States from the small town of Coyula, Mexico, when they were teenagers—his dad when he was 15, and his mom when she was 16.

Mr. Lopez explained that many Mexican immigrants living in East Hampton and Sag Harbor are from the same town in Mexico as his parents, and he stressed the importance of having a network of support for those community members.

“I personally feel like all members of the community on the South Fork should recognize that the Latino population is expanding every year. Some of the population is undocumented, and the process of legalization is very difficult,” Mr. Lopez said. “This is where they live, this is where they work, this is where they’re raising their family—and so to acknowledge them as fellow community members is extremely important,” he said.

Mr. Lopez, who now attends Georgetown University on a full scholarship, attributes much of his success to his parents. “For my family, it all started with an undocumented man and an undocumented woman,” he said.

The walk on Sunday was not one of protest but rather one of solidarity, stressed Ms. Sacks. The event was a way “to notify and keep the non-Latino community aware, so there’s not such a big divide,” she said.

Ella Engel-Snow, one of the organizers of the event and a Sagaponack resident, said afterward that she thought the walk “went beautifully.”

“It brought together all different parts of the community, and showed we’re ready to be together in support of one another,” she said.

In a pre-walk speech, Rabbi Geffen offered a declaration emblematic of the event at large: “Justice cannot exist in the world unless it exists for every single human being under the sun.”

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"We do have concentration camps on the border.”

Um, no, we don't.
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 15, 19 1:56 PM
We certainly do.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 15, 19 3:36 PM
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No we most certainly do not ...
We have detention centers
To compare what’s happening on our border to a concentration camp is an absolute disgrace
There’s a difference between not enough soap to go around and Zyklon B ..
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 4:00 AM
The illegals in detention can leave at any time, as long as they go back to where they started, an option folks in a concentration camp never had.
By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 16, 19 5:36 AM
Bf, thanks for the insight, as disturbing as it is. People seeking asylum shouldn’t be treated like animals. Trump screwed this up, like everything he does. His followers think it’s ok, it’s pathetic.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 5:55 AM
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people seeking "asylum" have broken the law if they have not entered LEGALLY! No one has the right to just walk across the border wherever they choose, official points of entry are there for a reason, but you already knew that.
By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 16, 19 6:15 AM
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That is false, you can seek asylum ANYWHERE in the USA. You don’t have a clue. Seeking asylum is not breaking the law.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 6:26 AM
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Hey Sturgis, you're thinking of death camps.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 16, 19 7:45 AM
A death camp is a concentration camp. But you wouldn't know that because no family member of yours ever liberated one. Communists and their supporters $U@k.
Jul 16, 19 8:29 AM appended by themarlinspike
To say otherwise would prove insanity. Now show us more insanity.
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 16, 19 8:29 AM
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No darlin I’m thinking of concentration/death camps , pretty much the same thing. Are you seriously going to suggest murder did not occur in concentration camps?
And why were the individuals in Nazi Germany sent to the concentration/ death camps ? Big difference between that and attempting to cross into a sovereign country illegally
Again ...
Detention centers are where people seeking asylum are temporarily held. Concentration camps were a ....dead end....

The situation ...more
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 8:53 AM
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No darlin, if they were the same thing we wouldn't use different words.

The definition of concentration camp also doesn't turn on the reason people are in them, but on the conditions found inside.

While some people still called them concentration camps and prison camps during the Obama administration, the conditions then didn't warrant as much outrage as there is now.

If you're surprised, you shouldn't be. Trump's immigration platform in 2016 was obviously to be cruel ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 16, 19 9:16 AM
"That is false, you can seek asylum ANYWHERE in the USA. You don’t have a clue. Seeking asylum is not breaking the law."

Except for one thing Fred....If you are seeking asylum anywhere other than a port of entry, you have ALREADY broken the law by entering the country illegally. It is called Entering Without Inspection. You are in the country illegally and making an asylum case afer that fact does not sit well for your case for asylum.
Jul 16, 19 11:37 AM appended by Po Boy
What you are ignorantly referring to is for people who have some sort of LEGAL status in the US and their time is expiring or those who have been ordered to be removed and will have to RETURN to their country. They therefor file seek asylum filing Form I-589, Application for Asylum.
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 16, 19 11:37 AM
From Rescue.org.....Yes, seeking asylum is legal. Asylum seekers must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry (an airport or an official land crossing) to apply for, or request the opportunity to apply for, asylum. "There’s no way to ask for a visa or any type of authorization in advance for the purpose of seeking asylum,” says the International Rescue Committee’s director of immigration, Olga Byrne. “You just have to show up."
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 11:51 AM
From My Attorney USA.......Under U.S. law, asylum may be granted to aliens who can establish they have well-founded fear of persecution if they were forced to return to country of citizenship or last habitual residence. The persecution must be on account of political opinion, race, religion, nationality, or membership in a particular social group. We have successfully helped our clients from various countries obtain asylum in the U.S. Our Firm is dedicated to helping people escape persecution in ...more
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 11:54 AM
"the conditions then [during Obma] didn't warrant as much outrage as there is now."

BS. The facilities are the same. The demographic has changed. That's no fault of President Trump.

What has changed is the demographic of those crossing illegally which exploded under Obama - around 2014. No longer is it from mostly Mexico, but mostly family units or children from Central America. The laws are very different for returning them to Central America and the facilities are being overburdened. ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 16, 19 11:57 AM
From Us citizenship and immigration services.....If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States.Jan 28, 2019
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 11:58 AM
From Us citizenship and immigration services.....If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States.Jan 28, 2019
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 11:59 AM
Defend trumps incompetence, you are also not correct in your asylum answer.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 12:01 PM
Po: something that has changed is how fast people move through the system. If more people are held for a longer period of time then they will be overburdened, as you pointed out.

As for your apparent desire to hold more people for longer periods of time by expanding the number of beds (and hopefully lawyers and judges as well as facility support staff, too?) I can't say I share it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 16, 19 12:07 PM
What I’m ignorantly referring to? Good one Po boy.i like your lawyerly statement,”the fact does not sit well” besides being lame it’s patently false. You have one year to file for asylum.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 4:29 PM
Yes, Fred, what you posted is exactly what I told you.

How exactly does one find out "If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States"

DUH...they had to make their claim to an immigration judge through the process....aka...NOT by being in the country illegally for a year....
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 16, 19 10:35 PM
Oh please
Different words
Hahahaha
Death occurred in both the only difference was in concentration camps people were also tortured and forced to perform grueling work...and were also killed ...it just happened quicker in an extermination camp....

Right
The conditions inside the detention centers on our border are in NO WAY COMPARABLE to a Nazi concentration camp
Nice try

And how incredibly disgusting and disrespectful and disgraceful to even suggest so


Too ...more
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 18, 19 7:57 PM
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In extermination camps people were systematically killed whereas in concentration camps it was just a byproduct of the inhumane conditions inside, right?

24 immigrants have died in ICE custody during the Trump administration. NBC News, June 9, 2019.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 19, 19 7:28 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 19, 19 7:58 AM
Thanks for your name-calling!

Ad hominem is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 19, 19 8:56 AM
No it wasn’t just a “byproduct “ !!! Good Grief!! People were murdered in concentration camps as well as tortured and used as medical experiments

I explained the SLIGHT difference

As I said
You’re a disgrace!!
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 19, 19 9:34 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 19, 19 9:44 AM
Yes, Nazi concentration and death camps were certainly worse. That doesn't mean these aren't concentration camps based on the conditions found inside.

Even Mike Pence called the conditions found inside unacceptable. Hopefully the recently-passed humanitarian aid bill improves those conditions so we can then agree that they're no longer concentration camps.
Jul 19, 19 9:50 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Thanks for your name-calling, Marlin! I understand you're out of comments for the day (still no subscription?). Let's pick up again tomorrow!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 19, 19 9:50 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 20, 19 9:08 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 22, 19 2:02 PM
What a shocking display of ignorance and misinformation. This is what believing everything you read on Twitsigram will do to people who hate anyone that doesn't think exactly as they do.
By localEH (418), East Hampton on Jul 15, 19 3:32 PM
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By knitter (1802), Southampton on Jul 15, 19 6:59 PM
Don't hop your neighbor's fence, don't go walking through someone else's house, break into someone else's car, cross international borders illegally. Hmm...follow the law? Enter legally? Surely you jest.
By lirider (275), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 19 12:12 AM
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The best way to protest is to vote.
By country joe (58), sag harbor on Jul 16, 19 5:42 AM
Want to keep families together? Here is a hint: DON'T BREAK THE LAW! Problem solved.
By Preliator Lives (424), Obamavillie on Jul 16, 19 9:12 AM
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Seeking asylum is not breaking the law. That’s simple, you should understand that.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 16, 19 12:14 PM
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By Preliator Lives (424), Obamavillie on Jul 16, 19 3:13 PM
You're gross.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 16, 19 3:56 PM
No you are
To compare a detention center to a Nazi concentration camp
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 18, 19 7:58 PM
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I never said "Nazi concentration camp" and the Holocaust is not the only time in history when concentration camps existed.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 19, 19 7:23 AM
I’m fully aware other concentration camps have existed in history however ,considering the left LOVES to call Trump Hitler and AOC, (after feigning horror while pretending to see people behind fences) likes to use the phrase , Never Again, the rest of us understand that everyone is referring to Nazi Concentration camps




By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 19, 19 9:29 AM
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No, Sturgis. You're playing bait and switch. Nobody has called them Nazi concentration camps, just concentration camps, which as you admitted are not exclusive to the Holocaust.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 19, 19 9:39 AM
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Hahahaha bait & switch.... uh no

And we all know people are referring to Nazis
So just stop
By Biba (555), East Hampton on Jul 21, 19 10:31 AM
Of course other concentration camps have existed in history, just as slavery was not exclusive to white people enslaving black people...
However this obtuse act of yours, suggesting people are not referring specifically to the concentration camps in Nazi Germany...

Again
The conditions in the detention centers are nothing like the conditions in any Nazi concentration camp

I wonder why AOC refused that offer from the Holocaust survivor.
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 21, 19 12:11 PM
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If we agree that concentration camps are not exclusive to Nazi Germany why do you insist people are referring to these as comparable to Nazi concentration camps?

Nobody is making that comparison. Nazi concentration camps were worse.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 11:09 AM
I’ve answered your question.
As for the comparison part ...I do not believe ANY concentration camp can be compared to a detention center.
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 23, 19 2:35 PM
If it's overcrowded, unsanitary, and otherwise inadequate, it's a concentration camp.

You didn't answer the question, you just repeated "nazi concentration camps" over and over again when the only one talking about nazis is you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 23, 19 2:58 PM
I most certainly did answer your question. And the conditions ,although unfortunate, are not comparable to a concentration camp.
Be upset with the democrats that refused to help rectify the conditions in the detention centers
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 24, 19 11:03 AM
Then it shouldn't be so hard to repeat your answer as to why you're the only one talking about Nazi concentration camps.

Concentration camps existed before AND after WWII, so there's no reason to assume anyone is comparing the concentration camps along the border to Nazi concentration camps.

In fact, I've done the exact opposite: Nazi concentration camps were worse. That doesn't mean concentration camps need to be as bad or worse than Nazi concentration camps to be called concentration ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 24, 19 11:24 AM

When you google the question, are the detention centers anything like concentration camps , the articles that either agree or disagree have one thing in common, they cite Nazi concentration camps when making the comparison.


That’s because although other concentration camps have existed in history, most people immediately refer to the Nazi camps ....and mainly because most of the left spent the last few years comparing Trump to Hitler in reference to everything ....

You ...more
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Jul 24, 19 11:35 AM
Do "most people immediately refer to the Nazi camps"? What's your source for that broad generalization?

Sheriff Arpaio proudly called the detention center he oversaw in Arizona a concentration camp, and you can see it plain as day on video. "Joe Arpaio: Tent City a 'Concentration Camp'". Phoenix New Times, August 2, 2010.

To answer your question about the term "detention center," it exists because not all detention centers are concentration camps but all concentration camps are ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 24, 19 11:45 AM
Just google it
Most references are to ....Nazis


The term detention center exists because it’s definition is different from the definition of a concentration camp


You made no point about the definition of concentration/ extermination camps
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Aug 1, 19 9:59 AM
Just google it
Most references are to ....Nazis


The term detention center exists because it’s definition is different from the definition of a concentration camp


You made no point about the definition of concentration/ extermination camps
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Aug 1, 19 9:59 AM
By your logic, death camps and concentration camps are also distinct and different things, when in fact all death camps were concentration camps but not all concentration camps were death camps. In the same vein, all concentration camps are detention centers, but not all detention centers are concentration camps: the definition turns on the conditions found inside, not whether they were established by Nazi Germany.

The first page of my google search for "concentration camp" had the same ...more
Aug 1, 19 10:15 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Is that your second comment today, Marlin? What a waste.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 1, 19 10:15 AM
INFERIOR GOOGLE BRAINS
Aug 1, 19 10:56 AM appended by themarlinspike
TRUMP BY A LANDSLIDE FOLLOWING LEFTIST DEMS RECENT BANZAI CHARGES.
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Aug 1, 19 10:56 AM
You’re entitled to your opinions
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Aug 9, 19 9:23 AM
Which part is opinion? Those are facts, friend.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 19 9:26 AM
The definition of
Detention centers

Concentration/ extermination camps


Your opinion...

Not facts pal ..
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 9:19 AM
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Here I'll lean on one of your favorites: Google it.

Check out the list of concentration camps on Wikipedia.

Take note that Nazi Germany is only available one example.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 10, 19 10:09 AM
Again, you’re entitled to your opinion
By Sturgis (603), Southampton on Aug 10, 19 11:21 AM
That Wikipedia lists dozens of examples of concentration camps throughout history is not opinion: it's fact
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 10, 19 11:29 AM
Lets not lose sight that this asylum seeking is just a game for 75% of those seeking it. Also, 1 of every 3 families being detained are not actually families.
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Jul 16, 19 12:19 PM
Please cite your statistics. Thanks!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 16, 19 12:20 PM
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Just a game - Readily available asylum denial rates. [Democrat] Texas Congresswoman Secretly Sends Staff to Mexico to Coach Asylum-Seekers

2) 1 of every 3 families are not actually familieis - Homeland Security official describes widespread 'fraudulent' families at border
BY ALEXANDER BOLTON - 06/11/19. The Hill

If you get caught up in the actual numbers because they will vary depending on the sample, you're part of the problem...as renting and borrowing children to gain asylum ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 16, 19 10:29 PM
The Texas Democrat said there is "zero truth" to the claims, and she blamed "a couple of Border Patrol union guys locally for whom we are an irritant because we are raising examples of violations of their own policy with regard to people in the asylum system."

According to Escobar, as part of "constituent services," her office has assisted constituents whose clients are asylum seekers who have been sent back to Mexico under Trump administration rules, "making it much harder for them to ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 17, 19 11:45 AM
"The Texas Democrat said..."

How do you know a Democrat is lying??
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 20, 19 11:14 AM
How many???
By knitter (1802), Southampton on Jul 19, 19 2:59 PM
Was anyone there supporting currently incarcerated US citizens who broke the law and are now separated from their families while in prison?
By even flow (896), East Hampton on Jul 20, 19 6:26 AM
Foolish comparison. Asylum seekers aren’t breaking the law.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 20, 19 6:49 AM
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80% are found to not qualify as authentic Asylum seekers. Further, they are required to seek asylum in the first eligible country they reach.
By even flow (896), East Hampton on Jul 20, 19 7:07 AM
People also generally don't go to prison for non-violent convictions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 20, 19 7:09 AM
They are if they enter the country illegally , until they actually present themselves to the authorities , they are just more ILLEGAL ALIENS.
By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 20, 19 9:30 AM
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They have one year to file the paper work, you are wrong again
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 20, 19 10:01 AM
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If they are here illegally, they are illegal. It is called Entering Without Inspection.

Can someone here illegal still file? Of course, but they will have to overcome the buden of being here illegally. Good luck. The system doesn't work that way and an immigration judge will make note of that in the decsion. Those you are speaking of are here, legally, with some sort of status.

How many times must you be educated???
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 20, 19 11:04 AM
It’s a non stop job!
By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 21, 19 10:36 AM
Yes you two delusional sycophants.po boy you are wrong. You still have1 yr to file for asylum. All your whataboutisms is just that. Bf, you are the biggest bullsh_ _ _ _ on here. You have never backed up your foolish comments with a citation, never. Your rush Limbaugh act is tired. Try to cite a fact once, just once.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 21, 19 12:22 PM
"If they are here illegally, they are illegal. It is called Entering Without Inspection." ~Po Boy

*"Sounds like a pitch that only the most craven coyote smuggler would make: If you make it into the United States, you are lawful....The greatest danger from such statements is not the risk of misleading viewers but misleading immigrants who take such statements as an accurate description of the law."

*Seeking asylum does not make illegal entry into America legal
by Jonathon Turley ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 10:34 AM
That's an opinion column you're quoting, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 11:06 AM
LOL....Anything not factual?
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:10 AM
Yeah, the opinion parts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 11:21 AM
For example?
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:23 AM
For example, anything that starts with "sounds like" is an opinion because two different people can determine something "sound like" two different things. That's what opinion means.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 11:25 AM
For example?
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:29 AM
Are you saying teh coyotes are doing something legal?
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:30 AM
Nope, just that the author's opinion column is his own.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 11:41 AM
Are saying opinion can't be factual?

Just want your opinion.

By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:43 AM
A statement of opinion may also turn out to be fact, but it's still just a statement of opinion. For example a doctor's professional opinion may be right or it may be wrong, that's why you should always get a second one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 11:51 AM
How about this, is this merely opinion?

"...Section 208 of the Immigration and Naturalization Act allows asylum claims to be made at any time, including as a criminal defendant for illegal entry. That does not mean that anyone claiming asylum automatically has legal status. That deals with your filing of a claim, not the legality of your entry or ultimate status. It is not illegal to seek asylum. It is illegal to do so without entering through a port of entry without documentation. Notably, ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:52 AM
Nope, I think that's an accurate re-statement of the law.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 22, 19 12:05 PM
From uscis.....If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States.Jan 28, 2019
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 12:27 PM
That does not mean those who enter illegally, are not ILLEGAL you knucklehead.





By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 1:30 PM
Actually Po boy, I have a shovel head and a block head, I’d be honored to have a knuckle head. Getting back to your circular argument.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 1:35 PM
The argument is rather linear. Those who enter the country without inspection, are in the country illegally.

A circular and blatantly misleading argument (if not out right LIE as you continue the farce) would be combining two distinct elements which have completely different application, i.e "they have one year to file the paper work" and "Asylum seekers aren’t breaking the law." They have broken the law if they have no status.

The beating will continue until it sinks in.
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 3:06 PM
Entering the country illegally makes the offender an ILLEGAL ALIEN, FACT.
By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 21, 19 5:35 PM
The hits never stop
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 21, 19 5:53 PM
Persons who unlawfully enter the U.S. without inspection or parole (entry without a visa issued at a consular post abroad or inspection at an authorized port of entry) are considered to be “inadmissible” under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). To be admissible, the law requires a lawful entry into the U.S. after inspection and authorization by an immigration officer. Individuals who are inadmissible are ineligible to receive visas and be admitted to the U.S. Entry without inspection ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 10:38 AM
I was speaking of asylum
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 11:53 AM
So when it is said they are still illegal, and it's further said "Can someone here illegal still file? Of course, but they will have to overcome the buden of being here illegally", and you say, "Yes you two delusional sycophants.po boy you are wrong."

Which part of what we said, was wrong??
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 11:58 AM
What part of what I said was wrong. I posted 3 different citations, not opinion pieces. You are starting a circular argument . If you step foot in the USA, according to you, you are illegal. The law states you have one year to file.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 12:22 PM
If you step foot into the US without first seeing a CBP Officer, you have entered the US without inspection. You ARE illegal.. You have no status in the US, hence, you have entered illegally. 8 U.S. Code § 1325. Improper entry by alien

a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 1:24 PM
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By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 3:13 PM
This would be a good time to refocus to where this started.

bugfresh wrote:
people seeking "asylum" have broken the law if they have not entered LEGALLY! No one has the right to just walk across the border wherever they choose, official points of entry are there for a reason, but you already knew that.

and you wrote:
That is false, you can seek asylum ANYWHERE in the USA. You don’t have a clue. Seeking asylum is not breaking the law.

I then wrote:
If ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 22, 19 3:28 PM
Po boy, I’m not going round and round with this. If you come to this country, you can seek asylum. It’s not illegal.im not speaking of parameters of passing asylum rules. Plain and simple , if you come here seeking asylum, it’s not illegal. You have to file in the USA. Because trump can’t handle what’s going on he wants to change the rules. Plus, you have one year to file. Is that simple enough?
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 3:44 PM
If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 22, 19 3:47 PM
Fred, did anyone say seeking asylum was illegal? I believe what was said was the "people seeking "asylum" have broken the law if they have not entered LEGALLY!" This is true.

What rules is the president changing?

Let's try again. When anyone comes to the US from a foreign country, they are required to present themselves to CBP authorities for inspection. If they do not do so, they are illegal. It is at the time they present themselves, OR, within a year from their entry (even if ...more
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 23, 19 10:41 AM
Po boy, find someone else to carry on your long winded argument, it’s pointless.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 23, 19 10:53 AM
Asylum shopping is the practice by asylum seekers of applying for asylum in several states or seeking to apply in a particular state after transiting other states. The phrase is used mostly[dubious – discuss] in the context of the European Union and the Schengen Area, but has been used by the Federal Court of Canada.[1]

One of the objectives of Police and Judicial Co-operation in Criminal Matters is to prevent asylum shopping.[2] The Dublin Convention stipulates that asylum seekers ...more
By even flow (896), East Hampton on Jul 22, 19 12:07 PM
Boris Johnson Wins U.K. Leadership Race, Will be Prime Minister

‘Deliver Brexit, Unite the Country, Defeat Jeremy Corbyn’
Jul 23, 19 10:48 AM appended by 27dan
MEGA.... Make England Great Again Get out of the EU while you still have your country. And do something about your Radical Muslim infestation before its to late.
By 27dan (2752), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 23, 19 10:48 AM
Here’s an idea.
If every Trump bashing liberal agreed to “foster” a family seeking asylum the detention centers could be closed .

Let’s call it the Foster an Asylum seeker challenge !!

Then all you liberals will be able to sleep at night knowing you’re doing the right thing by housing complete strangers......
By Biba (555), East Hampton on Jul 24, 19 11:40 AM
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Thinking the government should detain fewer people for shorter periods of time doesn't require a desire to house any of them yourself.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 24, 19 11:52 AM
What ????
By Biba (555), East Hampton on Jul 28, 19 8:48 AM
Your idea is like asking pro-lifers to bear the entire burden of raising unwanted children: nonsensical.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 28, 19 10:38 AM
Agreed, same nonsensical argument about taking in immigrants.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 28, 19 10:45 AM
Mueller getting destroyed. One rep asked him if he leaked the news of the almost comical raid of Roger Stone’s house to CNN or anyone else prior to the raid and I’m pretty sure his answer was “hummina, hummina, hummina”. He was asked again and his answer was “I won’t answer that”.

Disgrace.
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 24, 19 3:20 PM
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He answered,” I won’t answer that” many times. Try again diseased.to add, devin nunes shot himself in the foot, wounding the rest of his republican colleagues.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 24, 19 3:29 PM
The only thing Trump obstructed is the Dems coup attempt.
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 24, 19 8:21 PM
Not familiar with Fusion GPS? WHATTTT THE F? Mueller obviously didn't write the damn thing. This was the biggest backfire in a long time. He isn't familiar with his own report? Is he going senile or did he actually have nothing to do with this report? The attack on democracy wasn't from Russia, it is from our own Democrat globalist.

Muller ruined any legacy he had.
Democrats promote lies
Trump did nothing wrong
Today in brief.

MAGA !
By Undocumented Democrat (1982), southampton on Jul 24, 19 9:18 PM
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I will say it again Fred. He’s getting DESTROYED!!! Saying anything otherwise will make you look bad . I’m not even sure Mueller wrote or read the report. I’m not sure he knows his date of birth either. He’s nothing more than a mouthpiece for the globalists. Pathetic!
Fred, remind everyone how much money was spent on this bogus witch-hunt created to distract Americans from the real colluders..The Clinton’s!

Russia Russia Russia
Rapist rapist rapist
Russia ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 24, 19 3:51 PM
Again, you don’t have a clue
Jul 24, 19 3:55 PM appended by Fred s
Not agreeing with your wacky accusations makes me look sane and normal.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 24, 19 3:55 PM
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''Not agreeing with your wacky accusations makes me look sane and normal.''

...gonna take more than that, Fred
By loading... (575), quiogue on Jul 24, 19 4:34 PM
Loading, it’s a start
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 24, 19 6:33 PM
Mueller testimony: Trump ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie, special counsel confirms
Revelations arrives amid tense battle on Capitol Hill to have former White House counsel testify before Congress

Chris Riotta New York


Democrat Cedric Richmond further pressed Mr Mueller on the issue, asking, “So it's fair to say the President tried to protect himself by asking staff to falsify records relevant to an ongoing investigation?”

“I ...more
Jul 24, 19 7:24 PM appended by Mr. Z
The former special counsel also denied Mr Trump's claims he was cleared of obstruction in the report into Russian interference in the 2016 election, telling the House Judiciary Committee, "the president was not exculpated for the crimes that he allegedly committed." Mr Mueller also said Mr Trump could be prosecuted for the alleged crimes when he is no longer the sitting president.
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 24, 19 7:24 PM
DAZED AND CONFUSED

'COULD YOU REPEAT QUESTION?'
Live-tracking deflections...
'Frail' Performance ...
'This Is Painful'...
Departure From His Once-Fabled Stamina...
CONFUSION...
GOODWIN: Disaster ends impeachment talk...
2020 may be final word...
Lawmakers Prep Lawsuit to Enforce Subpoena of McGahn...
LATEST...
Disaster Day in D.C. for Democrats
Democrats Trumped Again
Mueller Dodges Questions — If He Even Understands Them!
Many ...more
By 27dan (2752), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 24, 19 8:20 PM
Witch Hunt from the very beginning ......told you so Mets, HH, June, Bitter Fred

You think Hollywood has Trump Derangement Syndrome now....wait until Epstein starts naming names!!!

Have a great night !
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 24, 19 9:11 PM
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Sure, nobody changed their mind today, but the facts were put on the congressional record, and that's a good thing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 24, 19 10:58 PM
If you say so your hero was an embarrassment
By Undocumented Democrat (1982), southampton on Jul 24, 19 11:59 PM
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Mueller did what he was supposed to: he confirmed the campaign welcomed assistance from Russia then lied about it, and that if Trump wasn't President he would have been indicted.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 19 7:13 AM
The biggest casualty of Robert Mueller's testimony was Robert Mueller.

Consumed by their avarice for political capital, Dems destroyed the air of mystery & halo of infallibility surrounding Mueller. Thanks to their efforts, hearing Mueller made the report even less credible.
By joe hampton (3382), The Hamptons on Jul 25, 19 7:53 AM
After Mueller's televised appearance yesterday and Rossello's being driven from office yesterday, its time to designate the democrat progressives a terrorist organization and sanction their entire memberships.
Jul 25, 19 8:14 AM appended by themarlinspike
LONG LIVE PUERTO RICO
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 25, 19 8:14 AM
You're a good friend terrorist organization, Marlin.
Jul 25, 19 8:28 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Not sure where in autocorrect "good friend" came from, but Marlin's goal is to demean and divide. Clearly terrorism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 19 8:28 AM
Themarlinspike, founder and president of “ nuts are us”
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 25, 19 8:31 AM
Thank you two democrat progressives for your bottom of the barrel comments.
Jul 25, 19 8:39 AM appended by themarlinspike
. . . and completely senseless knee jerk comments at that. Ha Ha Ha !!!
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 25, 19 8:39 AM
You’ve been a great president, keep representing
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 25, 19 8:47 AM
Thanks for using up your two comments and leaving us alone till tomorrow, Marlin.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 19 9:07 AM
EPSTEIN 'INJURED' IN JAIL
MARKS ON NECK; SEMI-CONSCIOUS

Predictable

By 27dan (2752), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 25, 19 8:02 AM
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Well, you know he’s probably going to spill the beans on Slick Willie and his sick trysts with 13 year old girls on Orgy Island WHILE he was president.

You know the drill. No commenting on the Clinton crime syndicate. YOU WILL END UP DEAD!!!!
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 25, 19 8:52 AM
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If that were true why would you be commenting on it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 19 9:07 AM
Diseased , you are our new “Q” reporter?
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 25, 19 8:55 AM
Because I’m a gun carrying American sheepdog. That’s why.

Sheepdog from Urban Dictionary:
Certain special people, who watch over the rest of the people. The rest are called sheep. Sheepdogs prevent the 'wolves' or bad people/things from hurting the sheep. Sheepdogs understand violence is sometimes necessary in order to protect the sheep. The sheep really don't like the sheepdog. Sheep prefer to go along their merry way, oblivious to the perils of life. Sheep tolerate sheepdogs' ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 25, 19 12:38 PM
lol, troll as protector - please save us from ourselves double D!
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (718), southampton on Jul 25, 19 1:13 PM
Diseased, I’m not sure you should be carrying a toy gun. Just saying
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 25, 19 8:51 PM
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"Drain the Swamp!"
SUCKERS

"New FARA filings show Florida AG Pam Bondi is now a Qatari lobbyist for human trafficking. Wait, wasn't she the one that tossed the Trump U case after he donated to her election campaign? Well surprise, surprise, surprise..."
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 25, 19 8:34 PM
Typical lies.

Fark much these days? Simple copy and web search brings me right to a site with the EXACT wording, and copy of a document stating specifically Pam Bondi and a Mr. James Rubin hired specifically as KEY personnel offering consulting and advocacy services regarding matters involving ANTI-human trafficking, not "for human trafficking" as you state.

And if it's the Money you are jealous of, maybe you should stop moderating google....oh, wait, google stopped that. Ok, stop ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 26, 19 12:11 PM
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That would be why it's in quotation marks.
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 26, 19 2:03 PM
The Democrat Russian Collusion is Demonstrably a Fake and a Fraud upon the People.

Despite controlling the House, the FBI, the DOJ, the MSM and a list of Globalist Corporations longer than your arm, Muellers, stuttering performance, riddled with the statement Beyond my purview, illustrates that he wasn't even running this hoax.

He was just the 'Name' placed behind it to give it 'authenticity' when it had none - not even from day one.

It is just like election night again. ...more
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 25, 19 8:47 PM
I would like to thank Congressman man Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler for insisting that Robert Mueller testify about his report and that he do so publicly because it was about the best thing Ive seen all year, lollll
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 25, 19 9:01 PM
well imo it was the second best thing ! The first was watching Nicole Wallace eat S last night after it was over !
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 25, 19 9:04 PM
Schiff: Trump and his campaign welcomed Russian interference?

Mueller: Yes

Schiff: And then Trump and his campaign lied to cover it up?

Mueller: Yes
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 19 9:27 PM
Schiff: Wake up Mr. Mueller

Mueller: I'm sorry?

Schiff: you looked like you were confused.

Mueller: repeat that please?

Schiff: I said you looked confused...

Mueller: where am I?

Good job dems, definitely reinforced the competence in the investigation. Nothing like putting up an old man who doesn't know who Ronald Reagan is when hired by him.

What a joke.

And now you take a celebratory lap.....completely baffling. But then again...what ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 25, 19 11:20 PM
Trump-Russian collusion is obviously fake. DEMOCRAT collusion, on the other hand is not so fake. Uranium much?
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 26, 19 12:30 AM
Was anything I said false, Bayman?

Those were the questions, and those were the answers.

Don't get mad at me for it!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 4:11 AM
In order for this to never happen again, the perps that perpetrated this fraud need to be prosecuted and jailed.
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 26, 19 8:56 AM
So... Trump?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 9:05 AM
Trump will be indicted after the election, problem solved.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 26, 19 9:12 AM
And impeachment now (with presumed rejection by the Republican-controlled Senate) would likely preempt any case after his presidency on the basis of double jeopardy.

If Trump thought this through, he would ask House Republicans to vote for impeachment in search of the easy, predictable result.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 9:28 AM
lol, you two sure are some persistent bitter dream clingers ~ giggle ~ it over you lost stop being such sore losers, get some help for the t d s and deal with it
By Erin 27 E (1225), hampton bays on Jul 26, 19 12:34 PM
Just because you don't care that Trump and his campaign invited election interference from Russia, then lied to cover it up, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 12:46 PM
Poor Bob Mueller.

A principled, dedicated public servant who was dragooned by politicians into performing in a dog-and-pony show that he did everything that he could to avoid.

As he had said before, in a clear message to Democratic politicians (in his previous, in-person statement) that he didn't want to do it again - - - everything is in the report.

So that's what he tried to emphasize, avoiding any questions that sought to elicit information beyond its conclusions. ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 26, 19 2:46 AM
We get it. It’s hard to admit you were used mercilessly by professional bureaucrats you’ve worshipped as saviors.
By even flow (896), East Hampton on Jul 26, 19 6:44 AM
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It will forever be true that Trump and his campaign invited help from Russia, then lied to cover it up.

Be mad, stay mad, die mad: it makes no difference.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 7:01 AM
A wish for my death because you don’t share my beliefs. I hope nobody takes your comment down. It’s the perfect reflection of you and your ilk. Have a great weekend!
By even flow (896), East Hampton on Jul 26, 19 7:32 AM
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Oh I'm not telling you to die, I'm saying that when you DO die you can STILL be mad Mueller confirmed that Trump and his campaign welcomed Russian interference then lied to cover it up and it won't matter.

It's a thing I heard young people say that makes me laugh: "Die still mad."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 7:43 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 26, 19 7:47 AM
Some CNN editor did something....

Antisemitism Uncovered at CNN

Editor Resigns in Disgrace

Long History: Tirades Against ’Jewish Pigs’

Hate Lives on Twitter

Days Before Dems Debate on Network

It's all part of Saul Alinsky's "accuse others of what you are doing yourself".
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 26, 19 8:51 AM
Poor highhatsize.

Once again all of his predictions have been proven to be nonsense and poo poo.
By Undocumented Democrat (1982), southampton on Jul 26, 19 9:00 AM
Yes, but he does use a lot of big words.
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 26, 19 9:02 AM
Are you guys in denial that Trump and his campaign welcomed Russian interference then lied about it to cover it up?
Jul 26, 19 9:04 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Lol, you have way more comments deleted than I do, Marlin, and you can die mad about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 9:04 AM
@HHS

1) State your source. And don't make it the Hillary/Dem funded fantasy Steele children's book about spies and goblins in the Trump campaign. Oh...and it can't be the Mueller report either, because according to Mr. Mueller and his report...and here is an unedited quote from the report, not like your "edit to suit MY version", “did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.”

Good luck!

2) ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 26, 19 9:25 AM
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And the new lies and narrative emerge, spun out of the old lies and narrative...

Meanwhile, a phony Democrat funded dossier with Russian disinformation was used to initiate the whole debacle.

Who again was receptive to Russian interference?
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 26, 19 9:35 AM
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Don Jr., for one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 9:37 AM
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@ Bayman (& Po Boy)

For god's sake, DO SOME WORK, as I have repeatedly EXHORTED you:

1) "'Russia, if you’re listening,' said Trump, looking directly into a television camera, 'I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing'" - The Donald, July 27, 2016 (Associated Press.)

2) Sweet Jesus! Evidence of obstruction was reported. And Mueller said clearly that because Trump is president, it is the exclusive obligation of Congress, constitutionally, ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 26, 19 5:20 PM
Seems pretty bright where i live, I am loving life since President Trump I think they call what you have TDS . Poor thing you will be fine and look at it on the bright side you still have the Squad to help you hate Israel.

Poor highhatsize.

Once again all of his predictions have been proven to be nonsense and poo poo.
By Undocumented Democrat (1982), southampton on Jul 26, 19 6:23 PM
@HHS

Stupidity, ignorance, laziness, childish, embarrassing and intellectually inadequate.

Your words that can be used to describe 99.9% of your posts.

1) You should have mailed that to Mueller, you could have saved us all some time and money. Since you did not, 2 years of investigation "concluded that there was “insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy” between Trump’s campaign and Russia." Time 7/24/19. You live in this fantasy world where, ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 27, 19 10:37 AM
Remember the 3% GDP growth that was touted by Trump? The Commerce Department revised that down to less than 3% for 2018 and 2.1% for the second quarter of this year.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 19 10:48 AM
@ Bayman3142

More incoherent gibberish:

1) You asked me to state the source wherein Trump was found to be receptive to Russian influence and I DID. FROM TRUMP'S OWN LIPS. (There and many others.)

2) Obstruction of Justice is a crime. The Mueller Report discovered evidence of obstruction of justice. Congress (as specified by the constitution) would determine (thought the impeachment/conviction process) if the evidence is sufficiently substantive to reach the threshold ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 27, 19 1:02 PM
More ignorant gibberish.....to be expected at this point.

1) lies by omission. "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let's see if that happens." Trump. If I remember correctly, the U.S. government was also trying to locate these emails. With the way Comey was obsessed with trying to stop Trump instead of justice, Russia had a better chance. The press reaps the reward in ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 27, 19 2:34 PM
@ Bayman3142

1) Not a lie by omission since it doesn't change a thing about Trump's call to Russia to interfere in the election. (I invited you to debate the distinction between "editing" and "lying by omission" and you declined.)

2) Obstruction is NOT a crime unless the behavior reaches the threshold of criminal culpability. You are simply WRONG.

3) Whether Trump IGNORANTLY or STUPIDLY misused the word "exoneration", Nadler's calling him on it is entirely appropriate.

The ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 27, 19 7:03 PM
@HHS

Short, sweet, and simple for you, you are thoroughly lost.

"Obstruction of Justice is a crime."
highhatsize (4082), East Quogue on Jul 27, 19 1:02 PM

"Obstruction is NOT a crime unless the behavior reaches the threshold of criminal culpability"
highhatsize (4082), East Quogue on Jul 27, 19 7:03 PM

6 hours and 1 minute for you to show us your IGNORANCE.

I suggest you brush up on you criminal code, specifically 18 USC 1505 as it applies.

The ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 28, 19 8:48 AM
@ Bayman3142

18 USC 1505: "Whoever, with INTENT to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance ... " (emphasis added)
------------------------------

How can you possibly have read that statute and construe it to support your belief?

There is no doubt that Trump "obstructed" the Russian election tampering investigation by firing Comey. If his evil INTENT (mens rea) is proven, his behavior becomes criminal obstruction of justice.

-----------------
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Quote:

"The ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 28, 19 1:31 PM
@HHS

Please STOP.

The doltishness and ignorance of your last post is completely MIND NUMBING, and shows us all you are a verbiage hack.

"There is NO DOUBT that Trump "OBSTRUCTED" the Russian election tampering investigation by FIRING Comey" (emphasis added)

1) THAT is what YOU BELIEVE happened. (That is your opinion, not a fact)

2) apparently leading you to the truth is futile, you just love to mislead and out right lie. 18 U.S.C. 1505....perhaps you ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 28, 19 3:04 PM
@ Bayman

What can one say?

You apparently really believe that you are making sense no matter how inane your replies:

"Obstruct: to hinder from passage, action, or operation : IMPEDE"*

Trump clearly IMPEDED Comey's investigation by firing him. It his intent (Vide 18 USC 1505) in so doing was any of the reasons listed in that statute, then the impedance is criminal obstruction of justice.

You said that, "The 'culpability' in federal matters is shallow ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 28, 19 3:56 PM
*sigh*

@HHS

I just had a eureka moment. You do not have the capacity to understand what should be simple. Ergo I should not be frustrated, it is clearly not me, it's YOU.

"Trump clearly IMPEDED Comey's investigation by firing him. It his intent (Vide 18 USC 1505) in so doing was any of the reasons listed in that statute, then the impedance is criminal obstruction of justice."
highhatsize (4084), East Quogue on Jul 28, 19 3:56 PM

B***S***

"There is ...more
By Bayman3142* (6), Hampton bays on Jul 28, 19 5:17 PM
Perhaps Bayman should brush up on Section 1512.
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 28, 19 10:06 PM
You quote from fark. Proof positive of 11,429 ignorant, mindnumbing, doltish, and utter stupidity in your posts.

1512 has NOTHING to do in this matter. AGAIN proof of IGNORANCE and UTTER STUPIDITY in postings. it's no wonder nobody engages you in debate.

Perhaps you and your buddy here should dust up on legal definitions of PROCEEDINGS and INVESTIGATIONS. Keep posting...it's amusing to see how utterly ignorant you two are when I GIVE you the answer as to why Comey's firing CANNOT ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 29, 19 12:20 AM
@ Bayman3142

"Impede" and "obstruct" are synonyms. Take your pick. Either one describes the effect of Trump's firing of Comey. The only question is whether his actions were criminal (which depends on his INTENT.)

You stated, " Congress doesn't determine if obstruction is a crime, it already is." By the same reasoning, "Juries don't determine if homicide is a crime, it already is." This is idiocy.

Similarly, you claim that the Criminal Resource Manual of the US Department ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 29, 19 2:49 AM
@HHS

"Cite some references and provide us with the specific LANGUAGE to which you are referring and we can have a meaningful discussion."

There is no meaningful discussion with an individual(s) who haven't developed the necessary reading comprehension level of a second grade student.

"Cite some references"
1. U.S. Attorney's Manual
2. United States v Higgins

Apparently my abbreviation isn't sufficient, you actually like long posts, so here it is straight ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 29, 19 9:31 AM
@ Bayman3142

I asked you to post the LANGUAGE of the references so that we could know what it is in them that you think supports your belief. Merely listing unexplicated TITLES is inane.

In other words, MAKE YOUR CASE dialectically rather than depositing a meaningless mass of verbiage and expecting us to infer your intent.

(In this vein, do you really think that your distinction of "proceeding" from "investigation" is germane in a publication intended for the entire ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 29, 19 12:08 PM
“What decent Americans are going to want to go into government service after they have seen this honorable man repeated defamed and disrespected by a contemptible, lying piece of scum like The Donald?” That doesn’t win your argument.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 26, 19 6:52 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 26, 19 8:30 AM
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Reality Check : Everyone on the political left is a lying piece of scum, to use your exact word phrase above. You know it.
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 27, 19 11:15 AM
Way to paint millions of people with one broad stroke, Marlin.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 19 11:18 AM
Be mad, stay mad, die mad: it makes no difference.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7035), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 7:01 AM
Jul 27, 19 11:30 AM appended by themarlinspike
aka : racebaiterextraordinaire
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 27, 19 11:30 AM
And if you don't like getting called out for making bigoted and prejudiced comments, you can be mad, stay mad, and die mad about it.
Jul 27, 19 11:32 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Your statement is bigoted because it's intolerant of others' ideas. Your statement is prejudiced because it makes assumptions about people because of a group membership. Nothing to do with race, in this case.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 19 11:32 AM
You will be definitely re-elected as president of “ nuts are us”
Jul 26, 19 8:35 AM appended by Fred s
I like the way your base chants ,”nuts are us” at your rallies. Good copy of “ lock her up”
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 26, 19 8:35 AM
and donald j trump will defiantly be re-elected as the president of the united states of America , thank god !
By Erin 27 E (1225), hampton bays on Jul 26, 19 12:37 PM
I certainly wouldn't deny the likelihood of that happening, Erin.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 12:54 PM
it would be the only thing protecting him from a criminal indictment.
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 26, 19 2:09 PM
Donald Trump: No Tariff Waivers for Apple Computer Parts Made in China

‘Make them in the USA’

LOVE OUR PRESIDENT !

Apple = Evil like the rest of the massive tech giants that do their best to control peoples lives and what they read, think and the way they vote.

Google, Amazon, FakeBook and Twatter all need a damned good A kicking and need to be broken up.!
By 27dan (2752), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 26, 19 12:41 PM
Nadler must have a mental illness. Just when you thought he and the democrats kind of realized they were beating a dead horse...they double down on up-ending democracy itself.

They are the best players on Trump's team. They are basically guaranteeing a Trump victory by their stubborn and now unforgivable refusal to accept the conclusions of special counsel.

Either that, or his belt that he ties tight above his “Fupa” is giving him unbearable constipation and/or cutting ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 26, 19 1:43 PM
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I support anyone who won't stop reminding America that Trump and his campaign invited election interference from Russia, then lied to cover it up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 19 1:55 PM
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The prevaricator in chief was caught lying like a rug?

The hell you say...
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 26, 19 2:11 PM
Special Counsels don't EXONERATE in a world that has the PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. Trump has been charged with no crime therefore he doesn't need to be exonerated. Let's give all the Democrats the same intense scrutiny just given to President Trump and his associates. Alcatraz would have to be reopened to hold all the crooked Democrats.
By joe hampton (3382), The Hamptons on Jul 26, 19 6:27 PM
Pants on fire, just like the POTUS.
Jul 26, 19 9:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
He hasn't been charged, because he's a SITTING PRESIDENT. You just can't fix stupid.
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 26, 19 9:26 PM
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Here's an idea: Let's investigate Trump, every member of his administration and all the Senate Republicans endlessly for 20 years the way the Clinton's have been. Better start building more penitentiaries.
By bird (806), Sag Harbor on Jul 27, 19 9:13 AM
Quick Friday night reminder:

Obama deported 3,000,000 illegal aliens, and you liberals said NOTHING!!!

Goodnight now...
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 26, 19 11:23 PM
That's why when the orange chimpanzee says Democrats want open borders, it was a lie.
By Mets fan (1466), Southampton on Jul 27, 19 7:34 AM
Hey Mets, you and little Jerry Nadless can relax: the 22nd Amendment will oust President Trump on January 20, 2025. Until then fell free to S T F U ! He is our President and WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE HIM !
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 27, 19 5:20 PM
Gee tough words from a little, little man, just like your orange chimpanzee that you support. You can dish it out, but like the child-liar-in-chief, you can't take it. Your a snowflake at heart. Can you give me an update on our National Debt? Boy did you tea-baggers evaporate. Most debt ever recorded in American history in February and March.
By Mets fan (1466), Southampton on Jul 27, 19 8:23 PM
All President Trump did was beat Hillary , that's enough for the alt leftists here to lose their collective minds. Heh , heh, heh
By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 27, 19 5:38 AM
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Alternative facts. Denial. Conspiracy nuts. The new "right wing".

"The FBI’s counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign actually started in July 2016, before the Steele dossier even existed. It was initiated after an Australian diplomat informed the FBI that then-Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos had bragged to him about having inside knowledge that Russia was in possession of Clinton’s hacked emails. This fact has even by acknowledged by ...more
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 27, 19 7:20 AM
...and Steele met with the FBI in July 2016 (and October 2016) to brief them on the dossier. What a coinkydink.

Oopsie...
By Po Boy (4637), Water Mill on Jul 30, 19 12:21 PM
The dossier wass completed in December 2016.

You just can't fix stupid.
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Aug 2, 19 3:20 PM
Nadler is a globalist shill who is enriched by voicing the script provided him by his anti-American benefactors. a communist who has done absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the people in his district. He reminds me of the bullied kid in school that now is going to settle scores. A petty little man with no imagination, his sole goal is personal vindictiveness
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 27, 19 10:36 AM
Trump and his campaign invited election interference from Russia, then lied to cover it up. Get over it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 19 10:48 AM
"Nadler ... reminds me of the bullied kid in school..."

Funny, he reminds me of Devin Nunes.
By bird (806), Sag Harbor on Jul 27, 19 10:54 AM
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By June Bug (2486), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 19 12:42 PM
Your cult leader's the premier grifter and his two best friends are actual communists and you have the nerve to post such skata? Get lost, will ya'.
By June Bug (2486), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 19 12:42 PM
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By June Bug (2486), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 19 12:42 PM
Trump articles of impeachment will guarantee Republicans getting the house back in 2020 !!!

The Alt Lefts drive to socialism shows no abatement !

POTUS Trump is standing in their way and they have gone totally berserk !

The Dem's used to be a political party but are now a full blown mental crisis !

K A G 2020
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 27, 19 5:15 PM
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nadler is an overweight, human embodiment of willie e. coyote.

He keeps losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing, and losing....... someone should loan him a acme anvil a trampoline and a stick of dynamite. ~ giggle ~
By Erin 27 E (1225), hampton bays on Jul 28, 19 1:46 PM
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Love the loony tunes reference there Erin, you all right little girl !

I always pictured Adam Shifty Schiff as the Loser Coyot myself lol
By 27dan (2752), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 28, 19 3:15 PM
A petty little man with no imagination, his sole goal is personal vindictiveness
This kinda sounds like you and your posts.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 27, 19 10:45 AM
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Nadler

Specialist in No-Crime Impeachment !!!

How far will he get ??? Probably not to the bathroom !!! he wants an impeachment investigation. In doing so he's effectively implied Mueller's investigation and report had NOTHING! Nadler and the dirty Dem's have no choice but to continue impeachment to protect guilty corrupt traitor 0bama
Jul 27, 19 5:08 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Nadler and his demented Democrats are helping to give President Trump a massive 2020 victory. There are no grounds for impeachment that would be believed by the American voter. TRUMP 2020!
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 27, 19 5:08 PM
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From The Hill:
Want the Truth? Put your money on Bill Barr..not Jerry Nadler

An anonymous, but wise, Wyoming rancher recently summarized special counsel Robert Mueller's report in clear middle-America language: "We know that old boy didn't actually steal any horses, but he's obviously guilty of trying to avoid being hanged for it."

The House Judiciary Committee, led by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), wants a hangin' no matter what. We know they're serious because they had former ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 27, 19 9:30 PM
Do you not recall the uproar over Barr's conduct regarding Iran-Contra?

I would not presume measurable truth, as it were...
By Mr. Z (11478), North Sea on Jul 27, 19 9:43 PM
The President is not being racist for asking why Elijah is not doing more to help his constituents he brings up a very good point and all the lying media can do is yell boogie man ! There are people living in horrible conditions in Cummings’ district.
Maybe people should ask him why he is not doing something about that ! Actually, calling President Trump's race-neutral comments about Elijah Cummings 'racist' is racism. Think about it, it's injecting race into a situation where race was ...more
By They call me (2731), southampton on Jul 28, 19 12:43 PM
Trump is right...Baltimore is a dump...Right behind Detroit...Years of Liberal policies have destroyed these once two great cities.. Face it, libbies: Your decades-old race card slinging are over; your hand has been Trumped. What you are seeing in Cummings and Democrat Socialists in general is anger born of
frustration with their own continuing failures. These products of failed social experiments are looking for scapegoats, but there really are none. In a nation as great as the United States ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1982), southampton on Jul 28, 19 12:47 PM
This guy is such a sore T D S loser he looks more like Clubber Lang than a sitting U S congressional representative.
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 28, 19 12:52 PM
i see him on tv he is always so angry
By Erin 27 E (1225), hampton bays on Jul 28, 19 1:39 PM
"Disabling them"? Being you've self-identified as black, the correct verbiage would be "disabling us", am I right?
Jul 28, 19 5:46 PM appended by June Bug
Obviously, this is a response to Undocumented, not Erin 27.
By June Bug (2486), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 19 5:46 PM
@Undocumented:
First you say there's no excuse for the failure of black people. Then you proceed to cite an excuse-- "Democrat Socialists" are to blame. Which is it, UD? If you weren't contradictory, maybe we could take your sermonizing seriously.
By June Bug (2486), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 19 6:09 PM
The way I read it ..... UDs verbiage is that of a no nonsense hard working conservative American ! Thats all I glean from his " sermonizing "

"Black people are every bit as capable of standing on their own two feet as anyone else is; Democrat Socialists need to stop disabling them and allow them to do so."

He is correct in saying that a growing number of Black people in this country are self identifying as Americans period ! They are no longer buying the racist victim view point ...more
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 28, 19 7:18 PM
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Hey Ditch, the"way you read" is wanting. You claim UD is eschewing the "victim view point". If your reading comprehension was better, you'd see he blames "Democrat Socialists" for the failures, and how contradictory his post is.
By June Bug (2486), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 19 8:23 PM
Snowflakes still aren’t used to a President who tells it like it is.

Too bad they never focus on the CONTENT of what he is saying.

You don't have to go to Baltimore to see the what Trump is talking about, just go to your city dump to see it live. The Democrats are very successful at turning successful cities into dumps filled with Crime, Squalor and Poverty. Soon all of California will be just like Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. That is why California has so many people ...more
Jul 28, 19 12:59 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Just your average red blooded hard working American Fred .
By Undocumented Democrat (1982), southampton on Jul 28, 19 12:59 PM
Ud, you sure your not Dave Chappell?
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 28, 19 2:27 PM
Trump is a racist, all the commenters who agree with his racist tweets kinda makes them racists. Defending a racist is a tough job, keep up the good work. You now have zero credibility.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 28, 19 2:50 PM
"all the commenter's" at least half of the commenter's on 27 East disagree with your statement Fred and see you as the Racist with zero credibility....

Y all do try and have a nice day now y hear !
By 27dan (2752), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 28, 19 3:09 PM
Deflect, that’s all you can do
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 28, 19 3:39 PM
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By bigfresh (4490), north sea on Jul 29, 19 7:02 AM
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Can anyone deny trumps posts are racist. I cant
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 29, 19 7:11 AM
Face the facts, you yourself are a race baiter, day in and day out.
Jul 29, 19 7:46 AM appended by themarlinspike
I really don't care what color you are but if you're a left winger you're no good for America.
By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 29, 19 7:46 AM
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Remember how you called me a race baiter and I had to point out to you how your overbroad comment about Democrats was bigoted and prejudiced but completely non-racial at the same time?

I don't think you understand what those words mean.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 19 8:44 AM
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By themarlinspike (429), Northern Hemisphere on Jul 29, 19 9:05 AM
Again, your comment about Democrats was bigoted because it was intolerant of others' views and prejudiced because it made assumptions about millions of people based on their membership in the Democratic party.

Your bigotry and prejudice had nothing to do with race here, my confused friend.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 19 9:10 AM
In other words the moderator ( Fore1) decided you needed to be red inked to prove his point.
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 29, 19 12:32 PM
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Lol, if I was a moderator I would've given Marlin the PW Herman treatment a long time ago.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 19 12:45 PM
If you don’t say racist stuff, you are not accused of being a racist. Pretty easy to understand. You think it is “telling it like it is”, you and the rest of the deniers on here are mistaken.
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 29, 19 8:17 AM
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Donald J. Trump
Hey libbies, try this one on for size. Here’s another double standard conundrum for you. The hits keep coming. I will forever be here to point out the twisted, lefty logic on this site. Enjoy:


@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
Crazy Bernie Sanders recently equated the City of Baltimore to a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY! Based on that statement, I assume that Bernie must now be labeled a Racist, just as a Republican would if he used that term and standard! The ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (562), Riverhead on Jul 29, 19 10:17 AM
If you reproduce the comments so readers can compare them side by side I'll be happy to discuss why they're different.

For one thing, Bernie commented on streets he had just walked himself.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 19 10:35 AM
President Donald Trump on Monday signed a bill ensuring that a fund to compensate victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks never runs out of money.

... at the same time NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio signed in to law a bill that decriminalizes possession of up to two ounces of marijuana
By Ditch Bum (837), Water Mill on Jul 29, 19 12:49 PM
The point is?
By Fred s (2866), Southampton on Jul 29, 19 12:57 PM
@HHS

You either have not read 1505 or you lack the mental capacity to grasp it's simple language. This is second grade reading comprehension. You ask for edited versions, I had already supplied same with sources on July 28 at 3:04 pm.

One more time, read S-L-O-W-L-Y and look for the key word "NOT" that distinguishes an INVESTIGATION from a PROCEEDING in relation to the F.B.I. and 1505. Because you are so completely lost F.B.I. stands for Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION.

"investigations ...more
By Bayman3142* (6), Hampton bays on Jul 29, 19 5:43 PM
@ Bayman3142

Quote:

"That is the COURT OPINION."
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"CIRCUIT" COURT OPINIONS, which you have either failed to notice or are deliberately concealing, and which have no precedential value outside of the geographical boundaries of the respective U.S Courts of Appeals. They certainly have no relevance, other than informative, on interpretation of 18 USC 1505 as it pertains to impeachment proceedings.

While one could point out the facts that ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 30, 19 9:17 AM
@HHS

Does 18 U.S.C. 1505 make the firing of James Comey a case of obstruction of justice?
Jul 30, 19 10:22 AM appended by Bayman3142
*crickets*....
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 30, 19 10:22 AM
@ Bayman3142

That's a nonsensical question.

I certainly think that the section applies to Trump's behavior. Whether that behavior is considered obstruction of justice is a matter for the Senate, sitting as a jury, to decide.

But it is also irrelevant since the constitution puts the impeachment process outside of the control or review of the courts. It is a "nonjusticiable political question."*

Congress can impeach and convict on "obstruction of justice" (or ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 30, 19 7:32 PM
@HHS

REALLY?? It's the question we have debated for DAYS because YOU were so ADAMANT that I was "stupid" and "lazy" in my research and postings.

Here I will remind you, as I have stated you are LOST. I even asked you to STOP continuing because your post were getting more and more idiotic, infantile, and mindless.

This is gonna be a L-O-N-G post, only because I am enjoying spelling this out for you as you lack investigative skill, and apparently I lack the ability to make ...more
By Bayman3142* (6), Hampton bays on Jul 30, 19 10:54 PM
@ @ Bayman3142

You have a cognitive disorder, Bayman3142, that causes you to inscribe discursive tomes in support of "points" that are inconsequential (as herein) or to dive down rabbit-holes irrelevant to the subject under discussion, (Your singular construction of word definitions.)

Let me sum up your latest "argument" in a brief sentence. (I wish that I members could read this BEFORE they have already slogged through it.):

"You [that would be me] overstated your opinion ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 31, 19 8:03 AM
@HHS

I certainly hope you are not an attorney.

I wouldn't call that a "cognitive disorder", that is actually laying out my case clearly for any reader with a second grade reading comprehension level, with sources.

On the other hand the VERBIAGE VOMIT( to which you are the supreme leader) serves no purpose but to deflect and deny.

Here is a rabbit-hole for you.

"NO DOUBT"....."CLEARLY"....."I CERTAINLY THINK."..... [*flush*]
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 31, 19 8:35 AM
@ Bayman3142

I won't punish forum members further by triggering you to deposit another dumpster load of discursive incoherencies, I invite them, as I so often do regarding discussions with true believers, to reread the thread and make up their own minds as to who is cogent and rational and who is confused.

Particularly useful in this regard is a perusal of our exchange earlier today.

You just don't understand what you read.
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Jul 31, 19 10:29 AM
@HHS

If I am so confused, why don't you spell it out for me? Or is your typical response when found in a conundrum "that would be a waste of time" deflection.

My case was clearly presented for you to move from "no doubt" to "clearly" and at last "I certainly think" in the matter of the firing of James Comey being an act of obstruction under 18 USC 1505.

It was a simple YES or NO question you have squirmed for days out of answering, with LOTS and LOTS of verbiage vomit ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Jul 31, 19 12:05 PM
@ Bayman3142

It always takes some time to puzzle out what it is that you are saying, Bayman3142, but I gather from this most recent misstatement of what I actually wrote that you are desperate to have me say that Trump committed obstruction of justice as defined by 18 USC 1505. While I never actually HAVE, If this is, indeed, what you are after - - - VOILA! - - - consider it said.

WHY you should consider this important is a question best answered by reference to your cognitive ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 1, 19 7:27 AM
@ HHS

Ah yes.....and now the "I never said that"

SOMBODY with access to your account posted the following.

"
@ Bayman3142

18 USC 1505: "Whoever, with INTENT to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance ... " (emphasis added)
------------------------------

How can you possibly have read that statute and construe it to support your belief?

There is no doubt that Trump "obstructed" the Russian election tampering investigation by firing ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Aug 1, 19 2:52 PM
@ Bayman3142

Another post that illustrates your profoundly disordered thinking - - - syntactically correct but literally meaningless.

It is getting worse.
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 1, 19 9:41 PM
Good Lord....its a simple question...AGAIN....

Does 18 U.S.C. 1505 make the firing of James Comey a case of obstruction of justice?
By Bayman3142* (6), Hampton bays on Aug 2, 19 12:37 AM
@ Bayman3142

Asked and answered.*

Is it that I left out specific reference to the Comey firing from my response? Amend it then by appending "by firing Comey".

(One hopes that this doesn't set you off on another maundering, irrelevant ramble. I have felt for some time that our conversation has become pathological - - - no more than a springboard that you are using to nourish and exacerbate your mental illness. I won't be complicit in your degeneration. If you want ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 2, 19 7:43 AM
@HHS

Great. FINALLY you answer the question as posed to you.

You have just proven that even when presented with FACTS contrary to your BELIEF, you lack the cognitive skill and cognitive abilities to process simple information into an educated conclusion.

BRAVO!

"Perhaps without collusion, there could be no obstruction, Shan Wu, a CNN contributor who previously represented Rick Gates in the investigation, said on Sunday. It's possible Barr didn't want to indict ...more
By Bayman3142* (6), Hampton bays on Aug 2, 19 1:12 PM
@ Bayman3142

Your conclusion that, "obviously" firing Comey wouldn't qualify as an obstructive act is NOT supported by your quotation from the Mueller report:

"Mueller has said that if he could find no evidence Trump obstructed justice, he would make that fact clear. He has not made that clear — indicating there is evidence of obstruction. Because a president cannot be charged with a crime by DOJ rules, all Mueller can do is present a report and allow Congress to choose a ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 2, 19 2:21 PM
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@HHS

Your first quote is all encompassing, not specific to the firing of Comey, so it holds no evidential value to support your belief.

Remember, for an obstruction charge, there would have to be willful intent to interfere with the investigation, and at that point on May 3, 2017, Trump had been told 3 times he was NOT under investigation by Comey himself.

A timeline shows no interruption in the investigation from the May 9, 2017 firing to the May 17, 2017 appointment ...more
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Aug 3, 19 11:35 AM
@ Bayman3142


A string of unsupported inferential assumptions and specious imputations fallaciously advanced as "proof" that Trump did not intend to obstruct justice by firing Comey. Absolutely devoid of substance.

And you cap your casuistry with another lie by omission, attempting to discredit my cited article by claiming that the author, Helen Klein Murillo, was a mere law student (a mere Harvard law student and law review editor, to be precise), "overlooking" the fact that ...more
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 4, 19 3:14 AM
Alas you are so far gone in your solipsistic and narcissistic ways as to discredit the report written by "A principled, dedicated public servant"(your words) Bob Mueller.

And so you have come full circle in this argument. Praising Mueller, and now, sadly you discredit him.

When will the Left learn. First it was Comey, hero of the people to zero, then came Obama, hero of the people to zero, and now Mueller.

What a sad state the Democrats find themselves in.
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Aug 4, 19 12:20 PM
Do you think there's no middle ground between hero and zero?

Your lack of nuance would be appalling if it wasn't so predictable.

It's possible to criticize some things Comey/Obama did while praising others.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 19 12:28 PM
@ Bayman3142

Another syntactically correct but literally meaningless response.

"I" discredited Mueller or the Mueller report? Where?

This allegation and your subsequent incoherent references to Comey and Obama are simply the latest symptoms of your mental disorder.
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 4, 19 1:27 PM
@HHS

"YOU" discredit Mueller when my case is based on letter of the law, spirit of the law, and Comey's own report that shows the firing did not meet the criteria of Obstruction.

If you can't see the correlation between the Dems and Comey, Obama, and now Mueller...you should leave your house more often. There is a whole world outside your solipsistic life.

@Fore

Name one.
Aug 4, 19 8:02 PM appended by Bayman3142
*Mueller's own report
By Bayman3142 (233), Southampton on Aug 4, 19 8:02 PM
Sure. Obama passed the necessary bailouts to get us out of the recession but he's also the first US president to assassinate a US citizen via drone strike without due process.

Comey inserted himself into the political process through the "October surprise" of additional emails that were found and later found to be duplicates of already-seen emails, but he also practiced steadfast transparency in the face of scrutiny from both sides.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7302), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 19 8:23 PM
@ Bayman3142

Quote:

"[M]y case is based on letter of the law, spirit of the law, and Comey's own report that shows the firing did not meet the criteria of Obstruction."
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False in every particular. A mindless BELIEF (or a determined, deceitful misconstruction) that you simply reiterate in the face of authoritative references showing you to be WRONG.

Same old same old.
By highhatsize (4115), East Quogue on Aug 5, 19 3:16 AM
The Hampton Classic, Horse Show, Bridgehampton