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May 21, 2019 2:51 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Shinnecock Tribe Continues Billboard Work As Lawsuit With State Looms

May 21, 2019 4:07 PM

The State Department of Transportation served the Shinnecock Indian Nation with a cease-and-desist letter on Friday, seeking to halt the tribe’s billboard construction along Sunrise Highway in Hampton Bays and sparking the beginning of a legal battle that both parties are now preparing for.

The Nation ignored the request, as they had an earlier stop-work order issued by Southampton Town, and continued erecting the 61-foot-tall signs on Monday.

The contractor, Idon Media, was on site with heavy equipment and built most of the framework for the billboard on the south side of the highway. The northern billboard has not seen much progress in several weeks but likely will be completed shortly after the other is finished.

The Shinnecock Indian Nation Council of Trustees issued a press release Friday evening saying that the DOT sent its letter “without any legal basis.” Tribal Trustees expressed their indignation toward both the state agency and Southampton Town government for what they consider to be unfair treatment, and a lack of respect of its status as a federally recognized Native American tribe.

“Today, the New York State Department of Transportation continued an unfortunate and unjust pattern of mistreatment and total disregard for the economic welfare and sovereignty of the Shinnecock Nation,” the release read.

It continued, “The [DOT] and Southampton Town officials have attempted to illegally impose state and town law on our sovereign territory by mis-characterizing a questionable easement that grants limited rights to build and maintain a highway, but never grants ownership rights in the Nation’s land.”

The DOT confirmed that afternoon that it was pursuing litigation through the state attorney general’s office.

“The Department of Transportation, in consultation with the Attorney General’s Office, is reviewing the matter and in the process of taking appropriate legal action,” Glenn Blain, assistant director of communications for the DOT, said in a statement.

The state had remained quiet about the billboards for weeks while work progressed at the site. But DOT officials had been actively communicating with the Tribal Council during that time.

Tribal Trustees said they felt blindsided by the DOT in its latest actions to stop the billboard project and are ready to fight the issue in court. Council Chairman Bryan Polite said on Monday that the Nation would soon submit a court filing.

“We did everything in our power to try to work with the town, the DOT and our state,” Mr. Polite said. “We’re very disappointed with the DOT and the lip service that they gave us over the last month, and are extremely upset.”

On Friday morning, State Police arrived at the construction site to serve a stop-work order against the Nation’s contractor, Idon Media, on behalf of the DOT, Trustees said. This was the state agency’s third stop-work order issued to the contractor since March 30.

So, later that day, the Council of Trustees said it met with the DOT’s regional officials at their office in Hauppauge to sort out site plan discrepancies. This was one of several meetings in recent weeks that Nation officials viewed as an attempt to work together on the project, which Trustees stress that they did “as a courtesy” and not something they were required to do, since they do not recognize state authority over tribal lands.

Trustees then received a cease-and-desist letter from the DOT’s headquarters in Albany upon returning from the meeting that afternoon. It stated that the project violates state highway laws and that all operations must cease immediately. It cited New York State Highway Law Section 52 and Vehicle and Traffic Law Section 1220-c, which both prohibit work within a state highway right-of-way without a work permit from the DOT.

Trustees are currently composing a response letter to rebut the assertions made. On Monday, the Nation posted its own work permit at the site, issued by tribal government, to allow its contractor to conduct all necessary work.

“We made it clear to them that we were not propelled to follow any of their guidelines, but that we would, in the interest of working with them, work with them toward doing the project from a safety standpoint, following their standards … and we’ve been having these meetings all along,” Council of Trustees Vice Chairman Lance A. Gumbs said. “And every time we went to a meeting, they would come back with something else that they wanted. Basically, they were stringing us along.”

They also said the state did not notify them about plans to pursue legal action until the tribal officials read about it in an article published by The Press online on Saturday morning.

“Bring it on,” Mr. Polite said as a response to the litigation. “We’ve been prepared for this.”

Germain Smith, the tribe’s general council secretary, said that the opposition, from government bodies and the public, have “lit a fire” within Nation members to pursue efforts to reacquire other property that they claim the town stole from them over a century ago, which they have sought in the past.

Additionally, in the tribe’s press release sent out Friday evening, it mentioned that U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin had made “false statements” about the Westwoods property where the construction site is located.

Mr. Zeldin’s office said it had simply shared this week that the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs had reported finding no records of the Westwoods land being held in trust. “Enforcement of federal highway law here is in the hands of [DOT] and New York attorney general,” Katie Vincentz, a spokesperson of Mr. Zeldin’s office, said in an email.

Tribal Attorney Tela Troge said the properties are fully owned by the tribe and not held in trust by the federal government, which she said backs up why they are exempt from highway regulations.

Mr. Polite also pointed out that the bureau’s eastern regional office, which serves the Shinnecock Nation, said it did not have any contact with Mr. Zeldin’s office regarding that information, based on recent email correspondence.

Ms. Vincentz clarified that the congressman’s office was merely relaying information shared with him from the bureau, who she said was communicating with its regional department.

“As far as next steps, now that BIA has determined that the land was not held in trust, this issue is at the state level partially to determine, and New York State is researching, whether the ‘Fee’ land is aboriginal land,” Ms. Vincentz said in an email on Saturday. “The federal government is not involved in that aspect.”

Sunrise Highway crosses the tribe-owned Westwoods, and Ms. Troge has said the 1959 easement for the highway covers only the pavement itself. But she maintains that even that was an “illegal taking,” because the agreement was not subject to an act of Congress, as the law requires when Native American lands are taken for municipal purposes. She also has said the status of Westwoods as aboriginal lands was strengthened by research during the Nation’s federal recognition process, which uncovered much more detail connecting a wide swath of land to the tribe.

Shinnecock residents had been at the site every day since Saturday, showing “No Trespassing” signs to drivers. Commuters had been slowing down both mornings and afternoons to view the activity at the site, causing stop-and-go traffic beginning several miles west of the billboard site that may become more backed up this Memorial Day weekend. The traffic slowdown generally broke once vehicles made it past the billboards.

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By April1 (156), Southampton on May 18, 19 9:47 AM
What did they expect honestly? I can't see the tribe winning this at this point. If the DOT waited this long to send a letter they know well that they have the authority to tell them to stop.
By rrrglynnn (23), Hampton Bays on May 18, 19 9:55 AM
The state is under a ton of pressure to react. They would’ve issued the c&d order weeks earlier, had they felt there was truly a violation. I don’t see this ending well for NY State.
By Lets go mets (377), Southampton on May 18, 19 11:41 AM
This is a great way to help the Shinnecocks become self sufficient. Just for the record this is a Democratic party run state and town doing it to them. So all you Repiblican haters you've been fooled again
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 18, 19 12:12 PM
How about I give you a towel to wash that egg off your face chief1 now that your Ripiblican (sic) [Although, maybe that's the way Trump spells it] champion Zeldin has weighed in on this? Maybe it's time for you to revive that grandfather of all American nativist parties the Know Nothings... I think you'd find yourself right at home.
By Just sitting on the taffrail (41), Southampton on May 18, 19 10:28 PM
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You support the party that actively seeks American decline, because we've "taken more than our fair share". You support the party that embraces our enemies, and cheers them when we suffer losses on the battlefield, and spit on our veterans when they return home. You want to see our borders effectively eliminated, because you think the millions of illegal aliens pouring over our borders are taking back the land that's theirs. And yet, with all those views at the heart of your ideology, when the one ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 19, 19 4:19 PM
Moron, do the mid-terms ring a bell?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 19, 19 4:25 PM
@ MoronEliminator

Your idiotic post manifests that the username that you have chosen for this forum is truly NOT appropriate - - - or you would have been dead of your own hand long ago.
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 19, 19 4:37 PM

Take a break from Fox News, its not good for your health
By Enviro Guy (55), Southampton on May 20, 19 8:16 AM
The stream of ad hominem attacks, rather than refuting a single element of my detailed analysis of what motivates leftists like you only confirms it's accuracy. You dislike this nation, believe on balance it's a negative force, and think the world would be better off with diminished American economic and military power. Those are the facts.
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 20, 19 7:39 PM
Your right, your fact filled comment was brilliant. I really appreciate how you backed up everything you said with a citation from a credible source. Oh wait, you didn’t? Of course not, it’s just your opinion.wacky as usual.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 20, 19 7:52 PM

Or, a serious case of irony...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 20, 19 8:10 PM
Chief, how would it have been different if the republicans were in control, look deep into your crystal ball.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 18, 19 12:15 PM
Chief, don’t ya think Zeldin the skilled diplomat should be called in to mediate? Southampton Town needs someone super clever to resolve this
By 38 (5), southampton on May 18, 19 3:36 PM
This is the outcome that Gumbs anticipated all along - - - just in time for the Memorial Day weekend.

Next Friday the tribe will be out at the worksite in force and in full regalia, pounding drums and chanting for the assembled media - - - and the Memorial Day weekenders caught in traffic - - - and falling silent only for Gumbs' speech about treacherous public officials and their continued persecution of the (eminently reasonable and fair-minded) Shinnecocks.

The billboards themselves ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 19, 19 12:06 AM
Whether the scoreboards stay or go, when the smoke clears Lance & Co will find themselves more isolated and more distrusted, in a community far more ready to dismiss their future protests, no matter what the merits. That is the big picture. He and the other current tribal leadership may pound their chests for having asserted themselves, but their constituents should be throwing tomato’s.
By CPalmer (122), Southampton on May 19, 19 9:42 AM
Agreed. Unfortunately it is the "the people" that suffer the consequences for bad leadership. It not just an Indian issue. Look at the Rose Hill Road Park fiasco. That involves the Southampton Trustees allowing a millionaire neighbor to take over almost half of the park. It's now tied up in court for the next 5-10yrs.

With the billboards the "blow back" is going to hurt tribal members the most. It is causing a lot of local resentment towards the tribe, especially if you are familiar with ...more
By longtimelocal (59), Southampton on May 19, 19 10:52 AM
Good point but I would think that the sign company would have done their due diligence on this issue as well. They have the experience in the industry and would be familiar with all the pertinent laws and requirements. After all its their money and equipment going and the tribe seems to be just a rent collector for the land. I'm sure they have had resistance from other communities for such signage and would be quite familiar with all the pitfalls that they could face.
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on May 19, 19 12:51 PM
I agree. You would think so. If they didn't, then tough on them. If they did, but didn't find the previous property issues, fire the in house counsel/legal department. Still tough on the company. If they found issues/questions with property, did Tribal leadership make any assurances or guarantees. From the outside looking in, it sure appears that Tribal Leadership is 1000% positive that Westwoods is sovereign Tribal land. We don't know what is in the contract. If this is the case the Tribe is ...more
By longtimelocal (59), Southampton on May 19, 19 2:54 PM
Someone is going to lose “bigly” here. And I think the state AG did his homework before issuing a stop work order.

The Shinnecock’s are already on the highway protesting the SWO. Wait until Friday...
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on May 20, 19 6:53 AM
Latitia "Tish" A. James is the AG
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 20, 19 6:59 AM
Sorry, HER homework.
By Draggerman (955), Southampton on May 20, 19 8:46 AM
Minor glitch
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 20, 19 9:17 AM
Hey dont get your panties in a bunch. I just thought the Dems always help people of color in need? Joker dems
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 19, 19 9:43 AM
Great non answer Chief
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 19, 19 9:50 AM
Is this the same property where swimmers and boaters have been shot at for swimming too close to shore? The video was on News 12 about a year ago. The billboards are being built out of spite, not necessity
By sparkhampton (27), Hampton Bays on May 19, 19 11:08 AM
Yes it is. I was one of those harassed,called CG & Bay constables when one tribe member swam out to our boat and threatened to board us. Very scary. They told us they own the water there and don't adhere to "white man's law."
By Taz (725), East Quogue on May 19, 19 11:12 AM
Have been threatened MANY times by Tribal members off of Westwoods beach.Even had a rock thrown at me once. This is why the legal status (sovereign land or just land owned by the tribe) of Westwoods has to be resolved once and for all.
By nobody200 (17), Southampton on May 19, 19 11:27 AM
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Why? because of a few bad eggs? Doesn't mean the entire Tribe is rotten.

Maybe their fed up with illegals depleting the areas natural food sources. And if you were threatened MANY times, well why did you keep going back ??
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 19, 19 3:58 PM
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When Tribal Security comes to defend the "few bad eggs" to the USCG, guess what It's NOT a "few bad eggs". It IS Tribal policy, so the Tribe gets blamed because the Tribe is supporting their actions. I went back MANY times because you have to STAND UP to THUGS!
By nobody200 (17), Southampton on May 19, 19 4:23 PM
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So basically, your saying that you kept going back to stand up to Thugs? How are you any different from the ones who threw rocks at you?? If you poke at a hornets nest and get stung, dont go crying to mama.

And whats Tribal Policy?? For Tribal security to arrive on scene and defend their own?
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 20, 19 6:33 AM
I wonder what word they use to describe you?
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 20, 19 6:44 AM
The tribe should take strength from their forebears for action, encapsulated by the message Richard Oakes sent to the Department of the Interior in 1969. It's already clear how many here support the use of force to prevent the tribe's claims on their land. And if you don't think it's actually "force", than think of what will happen should the work stoppage order is ignored:

""We invite the United States to acknowledge the justice of our claim. The choice now lies with the leaders of the ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 19, 19 6:09 PM
Nice handle MoronEliminator. If only it was true, but from you posts I have to said it's not. Also nice quote, but it's a non sequitur.

No "force" will be used because both of the companies involved with installing this project, Idon Media LLC and Ultra-Lum are law abiding American companies. They will not disobey a lawful Stop Work order because they would face contempt charges and daily civil fines. They are NOT DOWN FOR THE STRUGGLE. They just want to perform a job and make some money.
By nobody201 (5), Southampton on May 19, 19 8:01 PM
"They will not disobey a lawful Stop Work order because they would face contempt charges and daily civil fines."

Well, well, well. The westbound sign now moving along nicely. The frame went up today, looks to be around 50'. easily visible above the treeline. Astonishing what can be accomplished post Stop Work Order, huh? The nuance you fail to understand is that the law is ill defined here, and this is likely the best way to force the issue.

If they hurry, it'll be up in time ...more
May 21, 19 9:15 PM appended by MoronEliminator
Correction: 50' supports up on Eastbound side
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 20, 19 9:15 PM
We finally have a Town Board worth toppling !!!!!!
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on May 20, 19 8:32 AM
I am so shocked about the blatant racism of the State and Southampton towards our Native American brothers and sister. Why do Democrats always come down against people of color whenever they try to improve life for their people. It is soooo shocking that here on the progressive East End that we still see people peddling in Jim Crow era tactics; shame on you Governor Cuomo, Schniderman and the rest of the Democrats. Tsk tsk.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on May 20, 19 8:40 AM
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Surely Republican's would've done much worse. Let's not forget that.
By The Royal 'We' (199), Southampton on May 20, 19 3:39 PM
Oh really? Trail of tears....Democrats. Jim Crow...Democrats. KKK...Democrats. Segregation....Democrats. Opposed the civil rights movement...Democrats. Concentration camps....Democrats.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on May 21, 19 7:20 AM
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By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 21, 19 7:41 AM
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By HamptonDad (236), Hampton Bays on May 20, 19 12:31 PM
I don't think I would call it racism. If you are trying to make money and do the right thing in this state they will shut you down whether your white, black, need of American they surely don't discriminate about hurting people.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 20, 19 2:29 PM
I'll leave off the LOL part of my post, (can't figure this Press out) - second part was that everyone will just have to get used to seeing these billboards.
By HamptonDad (236), Hampton Bays on May 20, 19 3:30 PM
Time to rename the bay? :)
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on May 20, 19 5:48 PM
Kinda ironic, bay that gets brown tide and red tide, every body of water in our town is in rough shape, compare that to two signs on the highway.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 20, 19 5:55 PM
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Fred, this was my point about the local "civics" having a rally - they were "made as h*ll about this, but I have no recollection of them having a rally for anything else. Both the HBBA and HBCA have demonstrated ties to the Town Administration instead of addressing issues independently. All so disappointing and concerning. It is really no wonder to me why HB and other parts of the Town are in the shape they are in.
May 20, 19 6:03 PM appended by G.A.Lombardi
should be mad not made
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on May 20, 19 6:03 PM
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Both HBBA and HBCA are political organizations under the influence of Jay and the Democratic party.

The rally was called for, and by Jay himself. He was pulling the strings as a true puppet master over HBBA & HBCA. Jay and your state representatives knew well over 6 months ago about the billboards and did not do a darn thing!

HBCA was never clean politically and now HBBA has entered the dirty political world. Each group never gave Shinnecocks an opportunity to talk for one reason, ...more
By Hamptonsway (107), Southampton on May 20, 19 10:54 PM
Immediately cut off every cent of aid to "The Sovereign Nation of the Shinnecocks". No 7 million to educate their children, no safety net of socal programs. They want to go it along and not work with neighbors. So be it! Can't have it both ways!
By TheTurtle (143), Southampton on May 20, 19 9:36 PM
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I’m including this as something that reduces my property values. It’s tax grievance day. Who wants to live in a place where you have to drive past billboards to get in or out?
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on May 21, 19 6:40 AM
You people against the billboard sound like victim babies. Drive by a billboard? Baby
By chief1 (2800), southampton on May 21, 19 6:59 AM
You would know...

"No don't blame liberal ideas. The illegal immigration problem costs us 700 billion a year, and the welefare handout program costs us 400 billion. All ideas of liberals and our lazy policies"

The Shinnecocks pay no taxes use all taxpayers services for free, and now they want a casino? How about the millions they cheat the govt out of in taxes on cigarettes? They dont want too hurt the enviroment but they can build a casino and destroy the earth and the tribes ...more
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on May 21, 19 8:30 AM
Feel better now, you get them talking points out. Now take a deep breath. Atta boy
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 21, 19 8:45 AM
@even flow So those who oppose illegal immigration are "babies"? What is it with people like you? Why is illegal immigration acceptable to you? Can't you be honest about why you believe those people have the right to come here by the millions? Your kind will sit there all day denying you support open borders, but insist illegal immigrants have the right to be here. Why? What's your justification? Is it so ugly, so anti-American, that you don't dare speak it out loud because of your cowardice?
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 21, 19 9:07 AM
As I recall, billboards and such have been illegal in Southampton Town for over thirty years.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 22, 19 5:08 PM
I think anything that affords these poor people who have been discriminated against by the White man for generations a chance at making life better for them should be celebrated. I don't see why Democrats are opposed to economic opportunity and feel they are entitled to tell a sovereign people of color what they can and can not do with their land. Again I am so shocked at the naked racism being directed towards these people who are just trying to make life better for their children.
By Preliator Lives (437), Obamavillie on May 21, 19 7:26 AM
It will look like Montauk Highway with all of the smoke shops. Stop buying there cigarettes. This is about money and nothing else. $$$
By guest (68), Bridgehampton on May 21, 19 8:06 AM
If You Build It, They Will Come.
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on May 21, 19 9:28 AM
i guess NYS is going to have to rename its "Stop Work Order" and their "Cease and Desist Letter" to a "Stop Work Suggestion" and a "Please Persist Letter".
By longtimelocal (59), Southampton on May 21, 19 6:21 PM
NYS at it's best..... DOT inspection site...
By knitter (1941), Southampton on May 21, 19 6:41 PM
From a legal perspective, this is a very complicated matter, which will take many years to resolve IMO.

It is challenging, even to LIST the many issues to be resolved, let alone to RESOLVE them.

Have a good Memorial Day weekend.
By PBR (4956), Southampton on May 22, 19 8:21 AM
I'm confused.

Everywhere else in the United States, if the authorities think that one is doing something illegal, they stop one from doing it. And it one disagrees with the authorities, one goes to a judge, presents one's case, and is (or is not) granted an injunction against the the enforcement of the government edict while legality is determined at trial.

Why have the Shinnecocks been given a pass?

Is it strategic, perhaps? Is the state waiting until AFTER the Memorial ...more
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on May 22, 19 10:03 AM
Curious. Since the State considers the signs illegal can they also compel the electric company to not supply electricity?
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on May 22, 19 11:21 AM
What makes you think that a state which has given us:

- a $10m legal slush fund for illegal immigrants
- 4th trimester abortion
- increased age to try children as adults
- free healthcare for illegal immigrants
- taxes on wealth instead of income
- tax breaks for union dues
- free college tuition for Dreamers

Is going to stop Elizabeth Warren's people from building billboards?
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on May 22, 19 1:33 PM
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I can say right now this won’t be resolved anytime soon.
By rrrglynnn (23), Hampton Bays on May 22, 19 2:50 PM
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Has anyone ever noticed the amount of signs and billboards all along the highway now? Sure they are mostly state and DOT sponsored, but if you want to discuss beauty, the highway is already littered with signs. The difference is the size and ownership of the Shinnecock's sign. Now that the holiday is arriving, let's continue to show the world how much we hate our indigenous Shinnecock initiatives.
By susqui (1), southampton on May 22, 19 4:28 PM
The "monument" appears to tower over the tree line. Not cool.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on May 22, 19 5:09 PM
It is 100% ALL about the size and 0% about the ownership!!

Yes there are a lot signs along the highways in NYS. Other than the small Highway cleanup by XYZ Compay signs and the signs showing what gas stations, lodging, and eateries are available at an exit, they are ALL informational signs used to help the PUBLIC navigate the highway system. The money collected from the small advertising signs is used to cleanup the highway. There are no other advertising signs on NYS highways. Even Cuomo ...more
By nobody200 (17), Southampton on May 22, 19 5:26 PM
Well it could have been a gas station instead of signs. Leave the Shinnecock people alone.
Talk about visual pollution drive through the Village. Bigger is better!
Or better drive on Gin and Meadow Lanes.Concrete Bunkers!
The Village and Town only care about the folks with the big bucks with them anything goes.
By HPS71 (5), Southamptom on May 22, 19 6:11 PM
As along as it complied will all NYS/DEC safety regs I would have no problem with a gas station over this visual pollution! project, but according to reports on 27East it will be BOTH. The shinnecocks will use the money from the signs to fund the gas station and more litigation against their neighbors! More examples of being GOOD neighbors.

BOYCOTT ALL Shinnecock businesses and any advertisers on the signs!!!!
By nobody200 (17), Southampton on May 22, 19 6:25 PM
Just saw an ad of Han Solo and Chewbacca on the eastbound sign, let's boycott Fox, Disney, and Marvel.
By Pacman (273), Southampton on May 23, 19 6:58 PM
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War on Star Wars?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on May 24, 19 11:56 AM
Boycott all Shinnecock businesses?wait till they get two gas stations and the lines they bring. Good luck with your lopsided boycott.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 22, 19 6:51 PM
The Shinnecok Nation does NOT want cooperation.\, they want CONFRONTATION!

If the signs become operational, the town should put Jersey barriers along the southern side of Montauk Highway from West Gate Rod to Middle Gate Road. If the Nation wants nothing to do with their evil, racist, land stealing, Indian oppressing neighbors so be it. We can make it so. They are always telling us they are a sovereign nation. Well guess what, sovereign nations have borders and controlled points of entry. ...more
By nobody201 (5), Southampton on May 22, 19 7:00 PM
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Lets build a wall and have the tribe pay for it?...:)
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on May 22, 19 7:26 PM
We? Try to speak for yourself. Drop the “we”
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 22, 19 8:05 PM
"We? Try to speak for yourself. Drop the “we”


Fred S:

The only problem we have to solve is how to get rid of Trump.

Now we should start going over the presidents emoluments violations.

If you recall the election was swayed, we are living that nightmare.

A great day for America and Americans. We now have a partner in Putin.

I agree, a guy from Shirley knows exactly what we need out here.

If all of America ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 22, 19 8:33 PM
Yes “we” moron. Here , I’ll reprint one of my reprints. Captures your essence ,”It seems we have a local population of right wing nuts also.” there ya go
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 22, 19 8:47 PM
Foaming at the mouth rage and ad hominem attacks are a childlike attempt at masking the blatant hypocrisy, most of all, from yourself.

By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 22, 19 9:14 PM
Moron, you posted my comments, out of context from discussions. That is an ad hominem attempt to discredit me. There’s no foaming at the moth or rage. You should have put the comments I was replying to, your attempt was weak and lame. I’m not sure what your logic was in re- posting them in the first place was.keep trying.
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 23, 19 5:25 AM
Those are your comments Bitter Fred@Home , not sure how you could be discredited any further.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on May 23, 19 6:37 AM
My comments taken out of context, and your still a clown
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 24, 19 11:50 AM
That's nonsense. They are not out of context.

In those comments you use "we" to imply everyone agrees with you, which is precisely what you criticized the original commenter for.

It's not surprising to hear you parrot the kneejerk excuse used by the politicians you slavishly look up to.

For instance, how is "If you recall the election was swayed, we are living that nightmare." taken out of context? Who does the "we" refer to? Well?

You are not only a brazen, ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on May 24, 19 3:30 PM
Moron, print the comments from the other side. That’s what out of context means. You can print one side of any comment you want, it’s not relevant unless you show what the other side was saying.just to add, print the other half, see how relevant it is. As to your high and mighty attitude, go grow a pair.my comments are pretty much on point. I don’t care what you and your I’ll informed ilk think. You are all bluster with zero facts, that’s what you don’t like. ...more
By Fred s (3321), Southampton on May 24, 19 3:40 PM
For those who are not supportive of the signs, i think the easiest way to apply pressure is not through the government. As always, the market will decide if these signs are a good idea. those who are against them should make it very clear to anyone who advertises on them that they are going to deliberately NOT use their products as they have supported this eyesore. And for those of you who think this is a great new addition to the road, feel free to send extra business to those establishments. My ...more
By Mike4321 (1), New York on May 24, 19 11:42 AM
I think the comments here are mean and unproductive. A lot of trolls with a lot of axes to grind. I know there's not a lot to do out here sometimes, but this is how you've chosen to fill your time? Btw, I drove past the sign yesterday. It is huge and absurd. A fitting allegory for a complete loss of common sense. That sign will cause a lot of accidents. I hope the people behind it will be happy then.
By dave21 (16), westhampton on May 25, 19 12:04 PM
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The Newsday forum has been shutdown for a year or two. Trolls need a place to post their troll opinions.
By Arnold Timer (327), Sag Harbor on May 26, 19 1:12 PM
How about captain American who waved a flag everyday for 10 years at the most dangerous intersection in the Hamptons at 711 in Southampton. if the billboards distract you while driving you shouldn't be operating a vehicle.
By lursagirl (245), southampton on May 30, 19 3:21 PM
By themarlinspike (542), Northern Hemisphere on May 25, 19 1:06 PM
I think the signs are great and I hope the Nation makes a lot of money with them. I do have a concern though... The Nation claims that they own the property where they've placed the signs which is on either side of Sunrise Highway. Do they own the property that Sunrise Highway runs through or does the State actually own the Property that the road is on? Just because a municipality paves on top of a property does not make it State property (Case Law) So did NY State pay the Shinnecock Nation ...more
By DisgustedHamptons (58), Hampton Bays on May 26, 19 3:48 PM
Someone mentioned "the court of public opinion". In today's environment and global media, the Shinnecock will win the day- hands down. Picture, if you will, their protests in full regalia playing on the net.

Peoples from every country in the world will weigh in to endorse their efforts. It's going to be one heck of a show!
By elliot (254), sag harbor on May 27, 19 10:27 AM
Arguments over the polital and legal aspects are useless. The Shinnecock will NEVER take the signs down. What WILL NYS really do when the tribe ignores all C&D and SW Orders?? A paramilitary/armed police effort? Not likely! I still say that the signs are leverage for something greater.
By elliot (254), sag harbor on May 27, 19 10:35 AM
Hey 27East!! If we have the option to "LIKE" someones comment, well where is our option to "DISLIKE" a comment????
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 28, 19 7:25 AM
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It looks trashy and is in poor taste to their neighbors.
By FarOutEast (16), Southampton on May 28, 19 7:48 AM
I have not seen the towers yet so I'll avoid commenting. I actually avoid county road 39 because the cars travel way too fast. But I’ll say this… I hate those trashy, plastic flower memorials all over the place where people have crashed and burned. In his country we remember our dead in a cemetery and not at the crash site.
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