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May 15, 2019 4:46 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Tribal Council Chairman Will Not Attend Civic Association Meeting Monday Night Due To Community Protest

Local residents protest the billboards on Wednesday afternoon.   DANA SHAW
May 20, 2019 3:48 PM

UPDATE: Monday, 3 p.m.

Shinnecock Indian Nation Council Chairman Bryan Polite backed out of attending the Hampton Bays Civic Association meeting Monday night, he confirmed. Association President Maria Hults said he told her on Friday that he changed his mind after the protest took place.

ORIGINAL STORY:

The Hampton Bays Beautification Association hosted a public protest Wednesday objecting to the 61-foot-tall electronic billboards that the Shinnecock Indian Nation is installing along Sunrise Highway in Hampton Bays.

Over 25 people from the group, as well as the Hampton Bays Civic Association, gathered midday at the rest stop on the south side of Sunrise Highway, near the billboard construction sites, to express their concerns about the project. Some attendees held homemade signs that read “Pines Not Signs” and “Peace + Preserve”.

Maria Hults, president of the civic association, made clear that the group’s wish was not to kill the project—understanding its economic benefit to the tribe—but to keep it within the hamlet’s aesthetic.

“These huge billboards will forever change the character of the area,” Susan von Freddi, president of the Beautification Association, said into a microphone. “We implore the Shinnecock Nation to set aside their plans until there is a serious discussion regarding economic development for the Nation. We are your neighbors and hope we can work together to find a solution.”

Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman also attended to support the efforts of the civic groups, he said. He has strongly opposed the billboards since work began last month and has made numerous attempts to both stop the Nation from completing the work and negotiate ways to reduce the billboards’ size and brightness.

“Can they do this without us? They probably can. But just because you can do something, doesn’t mean that you should do it,” Mr. Schneiderman said to the crowd.

A few Shinnecock residents were present at the rally—not to participate, but rather to document the event and listen to what was being said.

“We stood by for many, many years and watched these monstrosities of homes being built out here and destroying land that we are supposed to be stewards of, and we’ve never said anything,” Kristine Goree, a Shinnecock resident, said as Mr. Schneiderman wrapped up his speech. “And now we have an opportunity to do something to economically sustain our sovereign nation, and it’s been ridiculed by people who own some of these monstrosities of homes that have destroyed acres upon acres of our land.”

Ms. Hults said before the rally began that the civic association invited Tribal Council Chairman Bryan Polite to speak at their next meeting on Monday evening about the tribe’s plans for the billboards, to which he agreed to attend, she said.

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Laughable...
By V.Tomanoku (788), southampton on May 15, 19 5:51 PM
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My thoughts exactly
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 15, 19 7:16 PM
Ditto - Jay certainly knows how to pull the puppet strings. He is part of the problem - not part of of the solution.
By G.A.Lombardi (553), Hampton Bays on May 15, 19 8:35 PM
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The optics are very disturbing the old guard trying to hang onto a to HB that really doesn't exist any longer. I mean they want to stop the project what else was the purpose of the demo.
By HB salvation (25), Hampton bays on May 15, 19 9:04 PM
Wouldn't a responsible and independent civic group wait and hear what the Shinnecock Nation has to say before they stand shoulder to shoulder with Jay at a rally when he part of the problem? When is the rally at Town Hall scheduled? I will be glad to attend that one.
By G.A.Lombardi (553), Hampton Bays on May 15, 19 9:28 PM
Where do I start on this one? The Town Supervisor that showed up because it’s an election year?

The protest held on a Wednesday afternoon in a predominantly blue collar community?

The Supervisor that has been trumped (pun intended) by Lance Gumbs?

The state DOT that is shrugging their shoulders while these monuments get put up?
By Draggerman (941), Southampton on May 16, 19 6:22 AM
Reports say that this has been going on for over a year and I suspect that Jay's administration (management by crisis or photo -op) didn't take this seriously until the construction started and he started to get phone calls. So now, it seems to me he is trying to do some damage control and look like a hero. I don't understand why these people would get involved in this. This is way above their pay grade.
By G.A.Lombardi (553), Hampton Bays on May 16, 19 8:10 AM
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By nobody200 (16), Southampton on May 16, 19 8:45 AM
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Lets continue to persecute the Indians. They are a good group to focus all our negative energy on while at the same time continuing to ignore the red lit up roof on Burger King which is illegal under town law. I mean after all Burger King is a major US corporation and we should turn a blind eye to them and let them break the law. Justice? Double standard?
By harbor man (45), sag harbor on May 16, 19 9:28 AM
Free hamburgers for senior citizens at the New Twin Towers and they'll have my forever support.
By themarlinspike (518), Northern Hemisphere on May 16, 19 9:45 AM
Nobody is "persecuting" the Indians. The town just spend ~500K from its CPF fund to preserve a piece of land where "Indian remains" were discovered. The Nation asks for some help and the town says "ok". The town asks the Nation to not do this and the Nation says "tough luck". There was no negativity until one day the community wakes up and finds out they are going to be subjected to these billboard monstrosities.

You seem to have a problem with BK's new roof. If you think it's a violation ...more
By nobody200 (16), Southampton on May 16, 19 9:51 AM
“Indian remains “. So explain what that means. These two things have nothing to do with each other. For once the town does something good in regards to the reservation, now the tribe must tow the line to the town for eternity?
By Fred s (3194), Southampton on May 16, 19 9:56 AM
It means bones, a skull, maybe artifacts buried with the body that are believed to be Indian in origin. I wasn't sure what exactly was found so I was generalizing. Relax, no insult was meant. What do YOU think is means. I would like to know what about "Indian remains" is a trigger phrase to you. Also, this wasn't the first property that was bought to preserve Indian burial grounds. There is at least one other which is a pretty large parcel in Shinnecock Hills. No, I do not expect the tribe to "tow ...more
By nobody201 (5), Southampton on May 16, 19 1:14 PM
When you put italics around Indian remains, it implies they weren’t, or worse, who cares.Native Americans have been treated poorly all throughout history. I find it funny that suddenly they have to be neighborly, when they have never been treated that way. Read the posts on this small local paper, anytime it a story about the Shinnecocks, the commenters reveal themselves to vile and vulgar. As soon as one side treats the other as equal, don’t expect the other side to act differently.that ...more
By Fred s (3194), Southampton on May 16, 19 1:23 PM
I thought that the remains weren't verified as being more than 50 years old. CPF supposedly has strict rules on what they can buy. It must be fair market value. Except for this piece of property which they paid more for and no one has actually said that they are Shinnecock remains.

I would absolutely love for the Town to purchase a known burial ground. This didn't seem to pass the sniff test, but perhaps the news in the Press was incorrect.

The point remains, the Shinnecocks ...more
By bb (910), Hampton Bays on May 16, 19 8:14 PM
What I see is how people treat The Shinnecocks. My assessment is based on first hand accounts.
By Fred s (3194), Southampton on May 16, 19 8:27 PM

As reported by another news outlet:
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Tribal leaders have said they are constructing the billboards to raise revenue for their nation. The land is owned by the Shinnecock Nation, so tribal leaders have said they are free to move forward with the project and not be subjected to any federal, state or town regulations regarding the billboards' size.

However, according to a spokesperson for Congressman Lee Zeldin, the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs has found no records of the land ...more
By V.Tomanoku (788), southampton on May 16, 19 11:35 AM
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The point I'm trying to make is that I find the Burger King roof just as obnoxious and gaudy as you do the billboards. That red roof turns the whole building into a billboard. And yes it is in violation of town code I did check with the building department and nothing has been done. The second point is lets continue to crucify the Indians by trying to find anyway to stop them but let a major corporation like Burger King break the law and slide. Again Fairness? Justice?
By harbor man (45), sag harbor on May 16, 19 12:02 PM
I think the point you are trying to make is that the Town does not apply the same standard for similar projects. This administration runs fast and lose with the facts, truth and the law and discriminates against those that they assume did not vote for them. My hypothesis, based on past projects, is that this got away from the Town and now they have no choice but to demonize the Nation by making them look uncooperative. This rally is embarrassing.
By G.A.Lombardi (553), Hampton Bays on May 16, 19 12:34 PM
Is Maria Hults,saying she is for billboards, just not the 60' high ones? Not quite sure what her point was.

I agree with Kristine Goree, the large houses are quite often ugly. So that means the Shinnecocks get to put up something ugly also, only without the usefulness?
By bb (910), Hampton Bays on May 16, 19 8:18 PM
Liberal Hampton's hypocrites can breath a sigh of relief. This morning Cuomo's jackboots, lights flashing on their unmarked vehicles, were seen harassing the tribe's construction crews on the eastbound side of 27. I know, you;re all for "Native American sovereignty" on their "stolen land", as long as they exercise those rights somewhere else, out of sight. You know, somewhere where those common people live.
By NateNewtown (99), east on May 17, 19 10:45 AM
Nate, so it’s only liberals complaining? You have any statistics or facts to back that up? Remember, just because you think it, doesn’t mean it’s a fact.
By Fred s (3194), Southampton on May 17, 19 10:59 AM
So the guy who's taken the position that this country was stolen from the Native Americans, who've even suffered the indignity of paying to buy their own land back from the "white man" who you said must stop being complacent (we'll set aside the bigotry and implication of racial guilt in your statement for the moment, as the non-tribal community is made up of far more than white people), now celebrates the further victimization of these people by the conquerors now goosestepping all over this project. ...more
By NateNewtown (99), east on May 17, 19 11:26 AM
Nate, thanks for your well thought out reply. For one, I could care less about the signs on the highway.as to the rest of your nonsensical reply, I have no idea what point you are trying to make. My stance in regard to the Shinnecocks is simple, I am life long friends with many on the reservation. The unfair characterization of the tribe to fit into people’s narrow minded assessment of the Shinnecocks is blatantly wrong. They are putting up a sign, so people have to accuse them of being in ...more
By Fred s (3194), Southampton on May 18, 19 6:43 AM
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Hey, hey, hey. It looks like the winds might be changing! Just passed the posts and noticed that NYS' finest were talking to the contractors that were looking to work on the sign posts. Maybe NYS is FINALLY taking notice!

There is a pic of it taking place.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AnTqKnnJSfwth261t4t4Kby1rMlE

By longtimelocal (56), Southampton on May 17, 19 10:53 AM
Hopefully serving a stop work order.
By V.Tomanoku (788), southampton on May 17, 19 11:19 AM
Yep they definitely don't comply with the law. I've read it. Especially considering they are right on top of the on and off ramps. You simply can't have people merging on the highway with a distracting light up sign in their face. However it may take the state forever with all the red tape and everything. The entire Native American aspect of the whole thing will take a while. However they will eventually come down I can definitely tell you that. Living in Hampton Bays I could care less about them ...more
By rrrglynnn (22), Hampton Bays on May 17, 19 11:33 AM
What happened to all the Snarky Pro-Nation posters.

themarlinespike

Native Americans 1, White Settlers 0.
Twin Nails In The Coffin Of Southampton
Much like The Mueller Probe, it's all over, case closed.
They will be permanent and will be there forever. Nothing more here to see, drive on.
You can't blame Lance Gumbs for wanting to poke his thumb in the eye of the current Southampton Town Board.
TRIBES ARE GATHERING !!!!!!


NateNewtown

This ...more
By nobody200 (16), Southampton on May 17, 19 8:11 PM
BUILD THEM TALLER, BUILD THEM WIDER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE I AM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 18, 19 8:03 AM appended by themarlinspike
Legally unenforceable action taken : BREAKING NEWS: State, Town Serve Tribe With Cease And Desist Letter Over Signs. The joke gets funnier.
By themarlinspike (518), Northern Hemisphere on May 18, 19 8:03 AM
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Hey!! You forgot about me!! We're all here still here , still supporting our local Tribe! its just that some of us have to work from time to time. See you this week on the Tribes land, on Sunrise Hwy where they are building the Billboards!

YES BUILD Them TALLER and WIDER!!!!!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 19, 19 4:12 PM
Just because you say it doesn't mean it's going to happen!
By nobody200 (16), Southampton on May 18, 19 11:53 AM
Nobody, you seem to have started to post just for this issue. My point is that it was not the place of a a handful of "alleged" civic leaders to "Poke the bear" - I corrected the hibernation comment. This is and will be played out at a higher level and was above their pay grade. I also found the comments made by the Town Supervisor at the HBCA meeting unbecoming an elected official. watching this administration in action, this is right out of their playbook - they probably sat on this until ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (553), Hampton Bays on May 18, 19 5:06 PM
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Nobodys angry because somebody threw rocks at him
By toes in the water (884), southampton on May 19, 19 4:14 PM
Guess he thinks he's Trump.
By stillhere (1), SAG HARBOR on May 24, 19 12:04 PM
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