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Oct 22, 2019 3:18 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

East Quogue Village Incorporation Fails

The crowd at the East Quogue School listens to the results of the vote.  DANA SHAW
Oct 22, 2019 5:40 PM


The East Quogue village incorporation effort was overwhelmingly rejected last week, 889-642, with 58 percent of those casting ballots saying “no” to a village.

A special election was held on Thursday, October 17, from noon to 9 p.m. at East Quogue Elementary School.

Southampton Town Clerk Sundy Schermeyer announced the results at 9:05 p.m. to a few dozen curious East Quogue residents in the elementary school’s gymnasium, where the voting took place. About half of the room cheered when they heard the outcome.

Around 44 percent of eligible East Quogue voters made it to the polls on Thursday. A total of 3,468 residents were eligible to vote, according to Kathleen Murray, the deputy town attorney for the Town of Southampton.

Affidavit ballots were not available on the day of the vote, and absentee ballots were also not provided due to a 2006 court decision that established the restriction.

On behalf of the East Quogue Village Exploratory Committee, which spearheaded the incorporation effort and made the election possible, co-chair Karen Kooi read aloud a prepared statement when asked for comment.

“Our opponents had an easier time selling an undocumented fear than we had trying to sell a thoroughly documented, verified set of facts to support incorporation,” she said. “We may be saddened by the outcome, but we’re very proud of everyone who came out to vote and we respect the outcome.”

Longtime hamlet residents Meghan McDonough, and her mother, Bernadette, said they were both happy that the incorporation was rejected.

“East Quogue’s been fine just the way it is,” Meghan McDonough said. “Southampton Town leaves us alone. When we need them, they’re there. We know where everything is now. That’s kind of the unknown.”

They also believe the committee will try again in a year, when it would be legally allowed to proceed with a new incorporation effort.

“They’re not going to give this up,” Bernadette McDonough said. “We still have to do this all over again.”

When asked if the committee will try again for incorporation in the future, Ms. Kooi responded that the committee “has achieved its goal. The vote was held.”

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... vote yes to incorporation and get yourself an automatic tax increase as per the proponents. Vote no to incorporation and get a 6% decrease in taxes as per the 2020 town budget. Easy choice - vote no.
By William Rodney (561), southampton on Oct 17, 19 8:09 AM
Huh?
By A Great American (103), East Quogue on Oct 17, 19 6:56 PM
Whether we like it or not, East Quogue is going to move in one of two directions - either we stay the course and become similar to Hampton Bays with overcrowding courtesy of the Town, or become a Village and control the housing and code enforcement decisions ourselves. I choose the latter. Take a look at our neighbors to the West - the Village of Quogue and Village of Westhampton Beach aren't experience any overcrowding issues, while unincorporated Hampton Bays and Unincorporated Westhampton are ...more
By East Quogue Resident (2), East Quogue on Oct 17, 19 9:40 AM
Laughable, we aren't nearly as big as HB, and we have much of our open space PRESERVED thanks to the Town. You know what other areas aren't incorporated? Westhampton, Remsenberg/Speonk, Shinnecock Hills, Noyack. NONE of these areas have "overcrowding". I don't think your statement of Westhampton vs. WHB is accurate at all--WHB, a village, certainly has a MUCH higher population density than Westhampton. Very poor argument on your part.
BTW, Speonk's affordable housing project is a huge ...more
By 2329702 (67), East Quogue on Oct 17, 19 10:01 AM
In Remsenburg there has been talks in recent years (articles in this paper) about the the need to expand the size of the school due to overcrowded classrooms - and the Town's solution was to approve a huge high density low income housing development, just what Remsenburg needed - higher density. I doubt the residents of Remsenberg would have introduced that development plan, but since they are unincorporated they had no say. Same goes for the high density development in Tuckahoe. My argument ...more
By East Quogue Resident (2), East Quogue on Oct 17, 19 10:24 AM
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Agreed. The RESIDENTS should decide, NOT a coporation
By zappy (65), east quogue on Oct 17, 19 11:42 AM
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What on earth are you talking about with Remsenberg? Plenty of the homes in Remsenberg aren't even occupied year round and its basically a completely suburban area south of Montauk Highway. I'm glad they put low income housing there. By the way, we NEED more high density housing! If you haven't noticed, we live on an island with limited space and were running out of areas to develop.

On another note, there is no decent housing out here for anything less than $1200 a month. I'm not sure ...more
By Enviro Guy (53), Southampton on Oct 17, 19 12:44 PM
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If you live in a village - incorporated village, chances are it is an upper income white area. These "villages" discriminate and are NIMBY people. Dump on EQ, HB, Flanders, etc... for housing. Some call it racist....most of the Southampton Town Board live in incorporated villages which are true supporters of NIMBY!.
By ZGerry (50), Hamptons on Oct 17, 19 11:30 PM
Do we have overcrowding in EQ? I haven't noticed that.
By zappy (65), east quogue on Oct 17, 19 9:55 AM
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VOTE NO !!!!!!!
By Taz (723), East Quogue on Oct 17, 19 10:16 AM
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Some facts the Discovery Lands property is not preserved. The project will get approved with or without a village. There will be an affordable or workforce housing component. The minimum is ten percent of the residential units. The 6% decrease is only possible because the town's assessed valuation increased. Ask the people in Hampton Bays if their taxes have gone down. Ask the people of Tuckahoe who are dealing with exploding school taxes. There are more affordable housing projects planned for ...more
By HB salvation (27), Hampton bays on Oct 17, 19 10:55 AM
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VOTE YES!
By EQmom (18), East Quogue on Oct 17, 19 12:28 PM
Congrats EQ on the smart decision. Now send Discovery packing.
By wrk (20), East Hampton on Oct 18, 19 5:14 AM
Who do we pay to open comments under the story about that fight between Andrew Saunders and the builder?!
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Oct 18, 19 6:20 AM
Wonderful news! Our community refuses to be sold down the river!
By 2329702 (67), East Quogue on Oct 18, 19 8:28 AM
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"Protect our Village", "Beware of overcrowding in our Schools", "Horrors! Affordable Housing coming to EQ"...I believe those were the scare tactics used by the EQVEC. Who was using fear?!
By zappy (65), east quogue on Oct 18, 19 8:58 AM
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- what a statement from the 'exploratory committee': 'Our opponents had an easier time selling an undocumented fear than we had trying to sell a thoroughly documented, verified set of facts to support incorporation,” ... the committee may have done some homework but their plan was far from documented fact and also left a lot of uncertainty.

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (747), southampton on Oct 18, 19 10:45 AM
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As a thirty (30) year East Quogue home owner and tax payer, I am glad to see that the Incorporation plan was soundly Defeated! Now we have to work to STOP Discovery and The Hills. It was never zoned for a Golf Resort. Protect the Water Quality both fresh and salt. All they care about is making a huge profit.
By jeffaada (6), East Quogue on Oct 18, 19 10:50 AM
What is done is done for this initiative for EQ. But as a 60 year old resident, voter, property owner and taxpayer of HB, I have watched the Town Board "dump" on HB by proposing a 250 unit housing project along with a 100-bed assisted facility in the middle of our downtown, ignore the environmental issues created from waterfront motels being used as year round apartments without the enhanced septic systems, over "dumping " at the transfer station without proper maintenance. We are out the TOS ...more
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Oct 18, 19 12:38 PM
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Why don't u organize to incorporate HB and stay out of our business in EQ.
By Taz (723), East Quogue on Oct 19, 19 12:01 PM
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As I said, I am not weighing in - just that those in EQ who are involved whether for or against, should look to a real threat with the TOS. You know have a Planning Board appointed by a TOS Board that has NO direct ties to EQ deciding on the new Hills on Thursday. All I am saying is that HB and EQ are similar in that they have NO representation and self-determination. I think that the answer is actually litigating in court for districts.
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Oct 20, 19 4:33 PM
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How can you claim you're not weighing in, when you just literally weighed in? Own your own opinions, clearly the good folks of East Quogue voted down a new way for Discovery Development to get their project that will make them $100 million in profits, at the expense of all of our shared water supply. It was clearly an end run to bribe a new set of politicians and Skip Heaney should be ashamed of himself, if he ever had the capacity for that emotion. GA -- clearly a great majority of our local ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Oct 21, 19 11:19 AM
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I am not weighing i for or against the EQ Village. I am pointing out that EQ is subject to the whim of the the Town Board and based on the whim of the current Town Board, that is probably not beneficial.
By G.A.Lombardi (575), Hampton Bays on Oct 21, 19 7:57 PM
Please stop talking about the water quality nothing was done to preserve or protect anything. That is why we are all getting free town water hook ups in East Quogue. You should have voted yes for the Hills while they still gave us huge benefits and would have helped us to protect our water. All political decisions are always made with too much emotion, not enough education and too many ulterior motives. I have not consumed my own water here in twenty years. What is East Quogue doing about the water ...more
By shotokan (2), East Quogue on Oct 25, 19 1:51 PM
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YES!!!! WAY TO GO!!!
By Miss K. (103), East Quogue on Oct 18, 19 12:40 PM
“Our opponents had an easier time selling an undocumented fear than we had trying to sell a thoroughly documented, verified set of facts to support incorporation,”

I interpreted this to mean that the people of East Quogue (my family), aren’t intelligent enough to understand the so so very sophisticated ideas you were trying to “sell”. I myself struggled with such worldly words as “exploratory” and “committee” which made me run for the ...more
By jerryr (4), east quogue on Oct 18, 19 6:31 PM
GREAT VICTORY FOR EAST QUOGUE!

Now the next victory for the Town will be to elect two men of great integrity, experience and knowledge to the Board of Trustees...

FRED HAVEMEYER AND ERIC SHULTZ

Trustees who will put the well-being of the Town first, FOR SURE!
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By HamptonClassic (132), Southampton on Oct 19, 19 2:10 PM
GREAT VICTORY FOR EAST QUOGUE!

Now the next victory for the Town will be to elect two men of great integrity, experience and knowledge to the Board of Trustees...

FRED HAVEMEYER AND ERIC SHULTZ

Trustees who will put the well-being of the Town first, FOR SURE!
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By HamptonClassic (132), Southampton on Oct 19, 19 2:10 PM
Yes HamptonClassic,. GREAT VICTORY FOR EAST QUOGUE1

Now it is critical to elect a new Town Supervisor - one who is NOT pro-Hills and NOT in the palm of Discovery Land.

SAY NAY TO JAY!

VOTE ALEX GREGOR FOR TOWN SUPERVISOR
By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Oct 19, 19 7:28 PM
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889 People Got it Right by Voting NO. When you look at the people pushing Incorporation there is much more to this than meets the eye. Its Not About Protecting EQ Or Keeping Taxes Low Its about Obtaining Property for The Building Trades, Older Homes etc for Site Development to turn EQ into a Manhattan Playground. Drive Down Rady Lane off of Boxtree Road and See "The Preserve" where Over 1000 Mature Oak Trees were Cut Down and Ground Up into Wood Chips only to be replaced by Identical looking 1.3 ...more
By Brady (15), Southampton on Oct 23, 19 2:15 AM
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Interesting take when considering the development of Rady Lane which you decry was accomplished under the zoning, laws, and planning of the Town of Southampton.

The move to incorporate was to shift control over that and other such projects you mention away from politicians across the canal to people within walking distance of the sites.

One would hope the majority of voters had a much clearer picture of the situation than what you exhibit here.
By VOS (1238), WHB on Oct 23, 19 3:59 AM
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Why should't people build on empty building lots regardless of where they come from???? Whats wrong with you people? East Quogue has no exclusive on who builds and who moves in and how they use their homes.

Really??? The Hills would have instantly dropped our taxes and brought more wealth and jobs to East Quogue. Where do all of your children live??? Because no one can afford to live anywhere anymore because of all of your selfishness. This is truly a Narcissistic society we are living ...more
By shotokan (2), East Quogue on Oct 25, 19 1:58 PM