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Feb 20, 2018 10:51 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Six Democrats Campaign For Chance To Challenge U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin In November

The Democratic candidates.
Feb 20, 2018 4:19 PM

The field for the June 26 Democratic primary in the 1st Congressional District remains as crowded as ever heading into late February—six candidates are campaigning and fundraising in the hopes taking on incumbent U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin in November.

Money-wise, Perry Gershon, chief investment officer at Jefferies LoanCore LLC of East Hampton, is currently in the lead with $1,009,858 raised and $812,350 cash on hand. According to Federal Election Commission records, Mr. Gershon loaned $402,700 to his campaign for the primary and made a pair of $2,700 contributions, one for the primary and one for the general election.

“I’m very happy,” Mr. Gershon said on Friday of his campaign war chest so far. However, he concedes that any challenger to Mr. Zeldin—who is currently supplied with $1,991,803 for the campaign, nearly $1.3 million of that on hand—faces an uphill battle.

“It’s difficult for any Democrat to compete head to head with Zeldin, as he is so well-funded,” Mr. Gershon said. “But I am confident that I’ll keep raising enough to stay in the race and be competitive.”

Like all the challengers, he faces a competitive primary season to get the chance to take on the Republican, who is running for his third term. Mr. Gershon says he plans to stay positive during the primary, and to “hold the attacks for Lee Zeldin.”

He added that he sees Kate Browning, the former Suffolk County legislator from Shirley, as his biggest Democratic competitor, due to her record and name recognition.

Despite the upcoming intra-party battle, Mr. Gershon reported the same ground conditions as many of his fellow Democratic candidates, citing packed candidate forums and palpable energy from voters. “We’ve been speaking to full houses, and the people change with each event—it’s not just the same people coming to all of them,” he said. “They see beating Zeldin as the path to beating Trump.”

Mr. Gershon added that voters’ concerns run the gamut, from health care to immigration to a lack of quality jobs, the last an economic issue heightened by the recently passed Republican tax plan. “The tax plan that just passed is harmful to regular people and might just be their undoing,” he said of the Republicans.

Across all of the campaigning he has done, Mr. Gershon, a 35-year businessman, markets himself as the jobs candidate. “I’m the Democrat with the progressive and economic message that can bring better-paying jobs to Suffolk County and can communicate that message to a large number of people,” he said.

David Pechefsky, a New York City Council staffer, follows Mr. Gershon in the financial race, but is well back, with $204,200 total, $175,474 cash on hand. According to FEC records, $101,100 of that is his own money, loaned to his campaign for the primary.

“You’d always like to have more, but I’m happy to be in second,” he said on Friday.

Mr. Pechefsky said he intends to move away from “friends and family” donations to focus on building an infrastructure to attract and retain small donors. “It takes longer when people are giving you $20 instead of $1,000, but we hope to have a multiplier effect at our events, and to be sure to cycle back to people who couldn’t come,” he said.

Mr. Pechefsky grew up in Patchogue and then spent years living primarily in Brooklyn. In November, he bought a house in Port Jefferson. “I had to pay that hefty tax bill,” he said, laughing. “No one can tell me I’m not a District 1 resident.”

Now that he’s back in his home district, Mr. Pechefsky said he is thinking ahead to the general election and facing another homegrown candidate, Mr. Zeldin, a Shirley native. “His money is irrelevant right now—we’re not running against Zeldin yet,” said Mr. Pechefsky. “I’m sure the general election will be very expensive. But when I win the nomination, I will have national Democrats to tap into, and I feel confident that I will be the kind of candidate who attracts national money.”

Before that, he would have to emerge the victor of the six-way primary race. Instead of identifying one strong competitor, Mr. Pechefsky took a broader perspective on the primary field as a whole.

“Both the primary and general elections are about galvanizing people with a strong, clear progressive message and to win by emphasizing Democratic values,” he said. “I’m concerned that the progressive vote will get split in such a crowded primary, and that we won’t ultimately get that progressive candidate.”

Mr. Pechefsky echoed Mr. Gershon in indicating that the energy on the campaign trail is unusually high. “There is a hunger for a different type of politics,” he said. “Will that translate to the polls? That’s the big question.”

Ultimately, Mr. Pechefsky said he believes that to emerge victorious, the Democratic candidate must recognize the party’s ideological roots. “The way we’ll win is by being true to the core values of the Democratic Party, the party of working people, fairness and inclusion,” he said. “The path to victory will be found by being unafraid and uncompromising.”

Former Suffolk County legislator Vivian Viloria Fisher of East Setauket comes in third, as far as fundraising, having collected $183,120, with $166,660 cash on hand. She has donated $110,891 to her campaign for the general election.

When asked if she was pleased with the amount she’d raised, Ms. Viloria Fisher had a distinctly different answer. “Oh my gosh, no!” she said on Friday. “I am working so hard to bump that number up.

“You wish that you could clone yourself,” she continued. “The forums are good for giving it a personal touch, and I spend time walking and knocking on doors to reconnect with people.”

Ms. Viloria Fisher served as a county legislator from 1998 to 2011, when she reached her term limit.

She says that she’s spurred on to engage voters by the unprecedented energy on the ground. “I’ve been involved in nine campaigns, and I’ve never seen anything like this,” she said.

That energy will come into play on June 26 when the Democrats face off at the primary election. Ms. Viloria Fisher shares Mr. Pechefsky’s concern that so many progressives in the field could “water down” the progressive voice, producing a more moderate candidate that she thinks will depress Democratic enthusiasm during the general election campaign.

“There are two flanks I’m fighting right now: from the right, I have Kate Browning,” she said. “We’re both legislators, and not many people know the difference between us, in our records.

“From the left, I have David, who’s also a progressive,” she said. “Perry has the money but not the excitement,” she added. In the end, though, Ms. Viloria Fisher thinks that her record will speak for itself. “I have electability because I stand for progressive values and I have proof—under difficult circumstances—that I have acted upon those values.”

Close behind her former legislative colleague is Shirley native and former Suffolk County legislator Kate Browning, the last candidate to enter the race. Ms. Browning has raised $163,738 total and has $142,322 cash on hand. She has not loaned her campaign any of her own money.

“I can’t lend myself money—because I don’t have much,” she said on Friday. “My husband gave me $1,000 and that was a stretch.

“People see politicians as out of touch and very wealthy,” she continued. “We get the day-to-day struggles of a working family.”

Ms. Browning pointed out that most of her donations have come from residents of the 1st District, though she has garnered some high-profile supporters, including U.S. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand from New York. “It’s a good sign,” Ms. Browning said of the local donations, adding that she knows Ms. Gillibrand from past days in the legislature. She expressed particular enthusiasm for the union support she has received.

As to Mr. Zeldin’s war chest, Ms. Browning said she is unconcerned. “Many people have talked to me, disappointed in his performance,” she said. “You can have all the money in the world and not represent your constituents well.”

She brings a similar nonchalance to the likelihood of a competitive primary. “I do have primary opponents, but I’ll just let people get to know me and not be negative to my opponents,” she said. “I’ve just got to keep my eye on the ball to beat Lee Zeldin.”

Ultimately, Ms. Browning believes she will soar to electoral victory on the wings of an extensive career in the legislature. “This is who I am and this is the work I will continue to do,” she said. “I will fight for infrastructure, jobs, clean water, safe schools and the environment.”

Next in line is Elaine DiMasi, a former physicist at Brookhaven National Laboratory who lives in Ronkonkoma, and who has raised $71,296, with $15,784 cash on hand. She has loaned $19,176.75 to her own campaign for the primary.

“There’s always better,” said Ms. DiMasi of her fundraising efforts so far. She added that she is most effective in convincing donors to give to her campaign when she speaks in front of the other candidates. “The voters hear the difference,” she said in an interview on Monday. “They see that my message will not have to change for the general election, that I’m working to reinvigorate the economy.”

Ms. DiMasi thinks it’s too early to analyze Mr. Zeldin’s campaign trove, as the Democrats have not yet emerged with a standard bearer.

“Consider all the Democrats’ money together,” she said. “We will all come together to support one candidate after the primary.”

She added that the crowded primary field is a positive thing, since it’s pushing all of them to work harder.

Ms. DiMasi echoed her competitors about the “blue wave” energy, adding that there will be national interest in this House race that will make up the financial chasm between Mr. Zeldin and the hypothetical Democratic nominee. “That’s where the other $4 million will come from,” she said.

Ultimately, Ms. DiMasi is infusing her campaign with optimism, trying to be a hopeful prospect for Democrats and others distraught with the current state of the country. “I believe that anything is possible, and that in 50 years, we can look back and say we did everything right,” she said. “We can make the world a better place.”

Pulling up the rear is Brendon Henry, a bartender from Center Moriches, with $12,038 and $9,105 cash on hand. He has not loaned his campaign any of his own money.

“I haven’t made any loans, because like many working people, I don’t have money just lying around,” he said in an email on Sunday. “My campaign is a true grassroots campaign for the people funded by the people—no big money, no lobbyists, just small donations from lots of people.”

He added that money is not the sole determinant in an election, saying that Mr. Zeldin’s record will undermine any money he has. “He does an awful job and no amount of money changes that,” Mr. Henry wrote. “He has lost touch with all of us who live in our district.”

In his attempts to connect with those voters, Mr. Henry said that he’s seen national issues like immigration resonating with people locally. “We need to get people into the system and out of the shadows living in fear,” he said. “In my years working on the East End, I have been blessed to be friends and colleagues with many hardworking undocumented people, whose dream is to one day have this nation they call home recognize them as citizens.”

He is staying decidedly above the primary fray, focusing on the general election in November. “I embrace our large candidate field, I have gotten to know them, and each one brings something to the table,” Mr. Henry said. “I don’t focus on competition, my goal is to win in June and then in November!”

Throughout all of his talking points, Mr. Henry returns again and again to a central theme: that he is a hometown boy from Eastern Long Island, and that he has the edge in knowing what the locals really need. “I am born and raised in this district, I have always been here, and I plan to always be,” he said. “This is our district, all of us, and we will work together to bring it back to the people.”

Mr. Zeldin assumed office in 2015 after defeating Democratic incumbent Tim Bishop, taking 53 percent in the election in November 2014. He won his second term against Anna Throne-Holst handily in 2016, getting 58 percent of the votes.

The Democratic primary will be held on Tuesday, June 26, and the primary winner will run against Mr. Zeldin in the general election on Tuesday, November 6.

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6 tax and spend liberals. Regulate, regulate ,regulate. Take from those who can and do and give to those who can't and won't. Zeldin has nothing to worry about. 6 lightweighs. These 6 will protect MS-13 as poor misguided orphans. Pathetic group of dem losers. Zeldin in a landslide. MAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Build the wall and throw the criminals out.
By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Feb 20, 18 2:30 PM
Mexico's gonna pay for the wall, right?
By Pacman (273), Southampton on Feb 20, 18 3:47 PM
yes and we are going to be GREAT and no one will laugh at us and that Russia thing ? that's not a thing- BELIEVE ME ! Science ? don't use those "words" we banned, State Department ? " Saving SOOO much now that Jared is in charge and hes magically getting out of debt! Just let those old, sick, youngsters fend for themselves!
By lo-cal (78), southampton on Feb 20, 18 4:40 PM
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So Pacman, why do you believe illegal aliens have the right to be here? Do you agree with your fellow leftists that this is an illegitimate nation, and therefore it has no right to control it's own border?
By NateNewtown (99), east on Feb 21, 18 9:05 AM
pacman: That was a joke. We all laughed when Trump said that. No sane person believed that Mexico would pay for the wall. How naive you are.
By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Feb 20, 18 5:39 PM
The buffoon in chief still does. He thinks he can exact the price of the wall through NAFTA renegotiation.

So, in essence you're saying Trump is not sane.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 18 6:44 PM
You have so much hatred for this country and it's democratically enacted immigration laws. Why can't you just be honest with people? Tell them they have no right to demand people immigrate to this country legally, and tell them why. Can you do that, or will you just devolve into personal insults as you usually do? Just explain why you think illegals have the absolute right to be here.
By NateNewtown (99), east on Feb 21, 18 9:09 AM
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When children are brought up in the US and are American in all ways except on paper, the right thing to do is to welcome them into our society so they can be productive members. We should never confuse "right" and "legal," remember that slavery, child labor, and spousal rape were all once "legal."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 10:01 AM
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Lol these candidates have more money in the bank than the DNC does
By Duckbornandraised (184), Eastport on Feb 20, 18 6:37 PM
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By SpeedRacer (160), Southampton on Feb 20, 18 7:44 PM
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that is an incredibly horrible thing to say about a person. Good luck to you when you get to the pearly gates.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Feb 20, 18 7:55 PM
What if he's Hindu, and ends up in Moksha?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 18 11:03 PM
Can anyone here who ACTUALLY WORKS FOR A LIVING say that they were harmed by the new tax laws?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 20, 18 8:01 PM
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You're kidding me--right??

$10,000 cap on Stand and local tax deductions???

We had 60K deductions last year with real estate and our NYS income?
By aging hipster (201), Southampton on Feb 21, 18 8:10 AM
Aging Hipster - complain about your state/local/property taxes - not your federal deduction for them...think about it.....maybe it will force the hand of the state/local/school structure here on Long Island to get a grip on spending.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 18 10:31 AM
Maybe we can just stop sending more money to Mississippi and Alabama than they send back?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 12:24 PM
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The question was if anyone was "harmed by the new tax laws"--not what we thought about State and local taxes! The question was asked--and I responded...

The first Federal taxes were enacted in the 1860's to fund the Civil War and allowed for deductions of any local duties imposed on taxpayers, recognizing the inherent unfairness of double taxation. That principle has been upheld for the last 150 some odd years until the Republicans decided to stick it to the blue states.

Guess ...more
By aging hipster (201), Southampton on Feb 21, 18 3:52 PM
Ok got it - but Zeldin voted against the new federal tax law. Now the State is scrambling to find a way for NYers to deduct the taxes. They even recognize that NY taxes are outrageous - it is putting people out of their homes.
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 18 5:15 PM
Zeldin opposed the tax changes. Our state government is trying to find a solution.

Who is doing more?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 7:01 PM
Who has the flexibility to do more?

Mr. Zeldin did what he could within the legislative process. I saw him on multiple occasions speaking on his opposition but also saying it was an opportunity for the state to evaluate its (over) taxing policies. He is well suited for that given his experience with the state legislature.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Feb 21, 18 8:00 PM
That just sounds like he talked a lot. Results would have been nicer.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 8:08 PM
I always love that sentiment, as if our elected leaders are some how Herculean and can act outside the Constitution they have sworn to uphold and legislative rules they must abide by.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Feb 21, 18 8:21 PM
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So did he try to negotiate a better deal? Perhaps decline to support some other part of the agenda if the rest of the House Republicans failed to address this grievance? Or at least stand on the House floor and condemn the targeting of states that did not support Trump through tax legislation?

Or did he simply state his disapproval, effectively doing something a bag of air could have achieved?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 8:46 PM
Do you happen to support your positions with anything other than questions?
Feb 21, 18 11:28 PM appended by Po Boy
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Feb 21, 18 11:28 PM
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I think I've mentioned I'm a fan of the socratic method.
Feb 21, 18 11:49 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
That was just a list of things he could have done better, in my view. I understand if people feel like he did enough. Reasonable minds can disagree.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 11:49 PM
Aging hipster 60k in tax deductions (not including federal)?? What is your annual income and your property taxes? Are you a one perecenter??
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 22, 18 4:51 AM
Not sure if my math is right but the Top tax rate for a single filler in NY is about 9%. Assuming you pay 20k in real estate tax (which is high) you would need to make just over 4m a year to come up with 60k in deductions. Don’t forget you would get a federal tax reduction. Life is good for the aging hipster.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 22, 18 4:59 AM
HB Proud, It sounds like you are not following the news ... Trump along with Zeldin are horrible people causing major disruption in our country and around the world. Sadly it sounds like you aligned yourself with these low lives. I'm sure SpeedRacer wouldn't see you at any pearly gates.

HB, nothing to be PROUD of!
By HamptonClassic (132), Southampton on Feb 20, 18 8:09 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right and you beat fire with water not fire. Good luck at those gates......
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Feb 20, 18 10:00 PM
Actually, TNT puts out tough fires quite nicely.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 20, 18 10:48 PM
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At what cost - at what collateral damage? Trump has divided this country - we have.
Feb 21, 18 7:13 AM appended by HB Proud
Trump has not divided this County alone - we have
By HB Proud (889), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 18 7:13 AM
All losers. By definition. They do not stand a chance.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Feb 21, 18 6:01 AM
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Good luck Elaine. You are just what we need, a scientist instead of a career politician.
By tenn tom (259), remsenburg on Feb 21, 18 7:48 AM
Good Luck, David Pechefsky. You are the only candidate calling out Trump's bloated military budget that lines the pockets of weapons contractors while robbing us of the funds we need for infrastructure. Building up our nuclear arsenal doesn't increase national security, it harms it. And Trump is now going after Social Security and Medicare because defense and tax cuts leave nothing for the programs we paid for.
By FR (2), East Hampton on Feb 21, 18 10:13 AM
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So diminishing our military, at a time when Russia and China are building theirs, is the key to peace? How is the President "going after" Social Security or Medicare? You have no evidence of that whatsoever. Just trying to strike fear into the ignorant. Typical Democrat.
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Feb 22, 18 4:08 PM
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It's imperative the worthless, useless Zeldin be turned out so the First Congressional District can be restored to health with a Democrat seated. The Republican blight must end.
By Jolly Roger (31), Southampton on Feb 22, 18 1:29 PM
If Lee Zeldin were a good Congressman, responding to his constituents, in tune with East End voters, not tied to the NRA,
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Feb 22, 18 3:58 PM
What exactly would legal gun ownership look like if you could snap your fingers, bypass the constitution altogether, and enact whatever you like. Just a ban on those scary AR-15's? No, all semi-automatic firearms? Anything that can hold more than one round without reloading? Can Democrats truly be honest about how they'd like to see current 2nd Amendment rights curtailed without risking losing elections? The people are most certainly NOT with you on this issue. It's why the Democrats didn't bother ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Feb 22, 18 4:14 PM
If we're getting fantastical, have you ever seen Superman IV: A Quest for Peace?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 23, 18 7:30 AM
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ME - If your accepting answers from anyone I'll take a stab at it:
1. To buy, sell, or carry a firearm you would have to have a Federal license with the proper endorsement for the class of weapon. This license would not be a registration fee or feel good list but an actual record that you have the training and have demonstrated your skills to a licensed instructor to their satisfaction and they will have to sign off on it.
2. Every firearm transfer would generate a transaction ID #. That ...more
By bird (829), Sag Harbor on Feb 23, 18 10:32 AM
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By P. Revere (152), hampton Bays on Feb 22, 18 10:46 PM
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By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 23, 18 4:57 AM
If I still believed in electoral politics, I'd choose Vivian Viloria-Fisher. "The system's not broken - it's FIXED"
By oneseriousSicilian (63), medford on Feb 23, 18 7:19 AM
Zeldin is for all types of guns and all types of ammo. He will never be in favor of any gun control. He supports teenagers to have AR-15's. Think about that when you send your child to school, that is the person you voted for. He is bought and paid for by the NRA.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 23, 18 8:48 AM
LOL!!!!
By toes in the water (884), southampton on Feb 23, 18 9:08 AM
My pants aren't on fire, school children are massacred. But you keep making jokes about it.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 23, 18 12:38 PM
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Gun laws were far more lax in the past yet we never had these type of tradegies. Why all of a sudden do we see this? Social media? Violence on TV and movies? We need to be looking at everything.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 24, 18 8:10 AM
Were gun laws actually "far more lax" in the past?

Wasn't there a Federal assault weapons ban on the books until the GWB presidency?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 24, 18 2:07 PM
You are missing my point. How many mass shootings have there been in the last 10 years versus the previous 200 years in the US. The second amendment hasn’t changed in fact overall gun laws have progressively (with few exceptions) over the years gotten tougher. So why is this happening? Gratuitous violence in movies? Social media? Recognition by the media? Maybe these things along with gun control, stronger mental health checks and better security should be discussed. No stone should be left ...more
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Feb 24, 18 6:27 PM
Perhaps we can start by funding studies that are intended to find potential causes and best practices going forward.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 24, 18 6:52 PM
After Batak Hussein Obama, peace be upon Him, was elected, the Democrat Party had the House, Senate and the White House and could have enacted “sensible “ gun laws but did not. Now why is that? How dare they blame President Trump after one year in office for the current situation.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 23, 18 9:38 AM
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Bought off Republican congressman resisted and won every step of the way. So now you have the worst kind of carnage, school children massacred, feel proud of your victories.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 23, 18 12:41 PM
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Did the Democrat Party introduce legislation to bring about "sensible" gun control during this period? 2 years of House , Senate and White House control, what did they do?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 23, 18 12:49 PM
The TARP bailout and ACA, along with a CHIP expansion and withdrawal of tens of thousands of troops from Iraq.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 23, 18 3:52 PM
At least you've now chosen to spell "Democrat" with a "c".

Does this have anything to do with the GOP siding with the former Soviets?
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 23, 18 10:24 PM
Exactly !!!!!
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Feb 25, 18 9:55 AM
Sorry, incomplete post yesterday. Let’s start again:

If Lee Zeldin were a good Congressman, responding to his constituents, in tune with East End voters, not tied to the NRA, not a puppet of Donald Trump, and understanding local needs with the backbone to stand up for them instead of bobbing and weaving like a third-rate boxer, the Democrats would have trouble finding anyone to challenge him. Instead, there are six spirited candidates, all striving hard to go head to head with The ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1979), Quiogue on Feb 23, 18 9:42 AM
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What does that tell me?

It tells me that there's a half-dozen snowflakes doomed to disappointment this Fall.

And unless the Honorable Lee Zeldin falls down on his promise to get us our own Zip Code, after more than a decade of do-nothing Dim {sic} Bishop, I'll vote for the Honorable Lee Zeldin.

In the meanwhile, TB, you'll be busy propping up those candidacies any way you can.



By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Feb 23, 18 12:17 PM
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By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 23, 18 10:25 PM
A vote for Zeldin, is a vote for supporting teenagers with legal rights to buy an AR-15. Remember that when you send your children to school. And when you vote. If Frank Wheeler finds the current carnage bearable, by all means Frank, vote for Zeldin.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 23, 18 12:45 PM
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Typical Progressive response -- fraught with emotional rhetoric and z-e-r-o rational thought.

This knee-jerkism may play well in Left-leaning (when did THAT happen?) Eastern Suffolk, but it's going to be a tough sell in Red State America!




By Frank Wheeler (1826), Northampton on Feb 23, 18 2:22 PM
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Dead school children is emotional rhetoric. It's not rhetoric, they're dead. Brought to you by someone who thinks a teenager buying an AR-15 legally is okay. Again, you find school children massacred okay, then you buy into what Zeldin is selling.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 23, 18 3:25 PM
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You wouldn't know what a "Progressive" is if Teddy Roosevelt kicked you square in your posterior.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 23, 18 10:26 PM
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Again Mets, what did the Democrat Party do during the first 2 years of the Obama regime when they had the Senate, House and White House? Why didn't they introduce legislation to introduce "sensible" gun control?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 23, 18 12:52 PM
Four months.

That's your answer,should you choose to accept it.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 23, 18 10:28 PM
Because the TARP bailout and ACA were priorities, followed by the CHIP expansion and withdrawal of tens of thousands of troops from Iraq.

Also, such legislation was indeed introduced after Sandy Hook:

"Legislation introduced included the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 and the Manchin-Toomey Amendment to expand background checks on gun purchases. Both were defeated in the Senate on April 17, 2013."

Guess who voted against it?
Feb 24, 18 2:15 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
You might remember that the economy was a dumpster fire in 2009. Imagine if the first thing proposed out of the gate was gun control?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 24, 18 2:15 PM
republican fillibuster, remember!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 25, 18 12:10 PM
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I don't recall a Republican filibuster, but Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) held the floor for 15 hours until there was a vote on gun control in 2016 following Orlando.

In that case, he secured a commitment to bring gun control to a vote in the Senate, and both bills subsequently failed in the face of Republican opposition.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 9:52 AM
Turkey: Zeldin represents his constituents well ! Looking forward to his re election.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 23, 18 12:54 PM
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Insanity= doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 23, 18 3:28 PM
Oh, you watched the Town Hall spectacle.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 23, 18 11:41 PM
Nah, just 40+ years of GOP failure.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 26, 18 7:20 AM
Was Clinton a failure?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 26, 18 7:40 AM
Sure, but was he a failure as President?
Feb 26, 18 7:52 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
You should really pony up the $10, you're here enough!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 26, 18 7:52 AM
Z, opposite sides of the spectrum aside, at least I know you have brain in your head capable of intelligent thought. I mean that sincerely. Now back to butting heads.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 26, 18 3:57 PM
@Foreign: Yes and no. We had a nice boom, but nice dotcom bubble crash we had, no? Tulip o mania strikes again.

D, I simply believe a a better world. Maybe one that doesn't need guns even. We're so advanced, yet we're still so backward. It's like we're in the "terrible twos" if Homo Habilis was the first hominid. We still have so far to go...
Feb 26, 18 11:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
Falcon Heavy: 5 million # thrust NASA SLS: 8 million # thrust Just sayin'...
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 26, 18 11:05 PM
I don't know that we can blame the actions of private industry on the President, just like we can't blame Bush for the housing crash.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 6:06 AM
Yeah, pw! I, too, think it's productive to dehumanize my political opponents!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 8:47 AM
So do you have an answer to that question, or are you just criticizing my style?
Feb 27, 18 9:12 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
The question being: "did the shooter do anything that would prevent him from owning guns prior to the shooting?"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 9:12 AM
No need to yell, we're right here.

Maybe you want to take up this conversation in context with Po Boy's responses on the other article since he's making more cogent points.

In the alternative, what specifically do you think the authorities should have done?

Arrested him for what, in particular? Getting kicked out of school isn't a crime, and there's no reason to believe he would have been convicted of anything beyond the standard adjournment in contemplation of dismissal.
Feb 28, 18 8:53 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Or perhaps you believe the surely-robust mental health treatment available in Florida jails should have caught this murderer in the making?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 8:53 AM
"The question being: "did the shooter do anything that would prevent him from owning guns prior to the shooting?"

HELL YES!!!!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Feb 28, 18 9:07 AM
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So what should he have been arrested for that would've garnered a conviction?

As mentioned, the menacing it sounds like he engaged in would have prevented him from owning arms temporarily at most. ACD my friends, ACD.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 9:14 AM
Who says he had to be arrested or that it needed a conviction? Mental health issues don't need to encounter those parameters. Any one of the encounters, especially with social services, Under federal law, would have barred him from purchasing or possessing a firearm if he was involuntarily committed to a mental hospital.

The red flags were all there.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Feb 28, 18 11:14 AM
Being Baker Act'ed in not the same as being "committed to a mental hospital"; it only results in a 72-hour evaluation, temporary gun confiscation, and does not get reported to the NICS.

If a person is committed after evaluation, that's where NICS kicks in. Has anyone opined on whether the shooter's actions rose to the level of being committed?

By all accounts he demonstrated the appropriate reactions of fear and regret after police interactions. Also, "mental illness" (which can ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 11:29 AM
I'd like to know what the FBI thinks.

Oh, wait. They didn't interview him. Ever hear of terroristic threats?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Feb 28, 18 1:33 PM
So you agree that getting Baker Acted wasn't guaranteed to achieve anything?

Next you'll support adding anyone on the no-fly list to the NICS, which raises the same issues of due process as the legislation that allowed the Social Security Administration to unilaterally take 2nd amendment rights from people who required assistance to manage their finances.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 1:42 PM
No Fore, I agree, according to sources, the finding as expressed by the school counselor, was premature.

Now, Fore... we've had this discussion before...don't tell me what I think...

So you disagree with the FBI on its assessment of its (mis)handling?


Feb 28, 18 1:46 PM appended by Po Boy
Also noting the failure to acknowledge the charge of terrorist threats.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Feb 28, 18 1:46 PM
I'm not aware of the terrorist threats, so I'm not sure what that should've resulted in.

I'm also not sure on the particulars of the counselor's findings, but what do you mean they were premature?

Could the FBI have done more, probably, but I can't fault them for not following up on every case, assuming they weren't sitting at the office twiddling their thumbs instead. Law enforcement don't have the resources to follow every tip, but maybe we can fund a dedicated unit that does ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 9:47 PM
You're not aware of him claiming he wanted to be a "professional school shooter"...you know, the reason why the FBI was tipped off? This is a classic terroristic threat. Kids by the bus load are being arrested for it in the wake of Parkland.

This statement should, and would have garnered arrest and conviction had the FBI interviewed him. But they didn't even send the case to the Miami field office - let alone interview him. This was more the ACD(?) as you've claim. "ACD my friends, ACD," ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Mar 1, 18 8:10 AM
ACD means adjournment in contemplation of dismissal, and is the most common punishment handed to first-time offenders. I can't speak to charges of terrorist threats, but I do have a sliver of experience in the first amendment, which sounds like it covers that highly concerning statement.

See, to be denied liberty for a statement it must be conceived as a "real threat," and while troubling, there's likely not enough specificity in the statement, sort of like how cross-burning is considered ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 1, 18 8:22 AM
If you have experience in the first amendment, then you should know of its exclusions. Students ARE being arrested TODAY for similar threats.

There is no "probably" about the FBI was able to do more. They've acknowledged that in their own press release.

As far as the ACD goes, that's subjective and hypothetical given the
failures. We'll never know, will we.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Mar 1, 18 9:46 AM
Arrested does not mean convicted. Let me know if any of those kids wind up with a felony on their records. My money is on "no."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 2, 18 8:18 AM
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By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 23, 18 10:07 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 23, 18 10:30 PM
JuneZ: The last thing I care about is a screeching leftist's opinion, carry on
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 23, 18 10:35 PM
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Don't worry, your character is solidly on display.
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 25, 18 11:14 AM
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And soon, it'll be tied to a social media account!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 25, 18 11:21 AM
There are many folks who want nothing to do with the social media cesspit, this site will ne nothing more than a liberal echo chamber if the Press follow through on its' ill conceived plan.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 26, 18 3:45 AM
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I agree with your opinion of the plan, and I know that I won't be sticking around at that point :-)
Feb 26, 18 6:16 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I don't agree about the liberal cesspit thing, just the general unfavorable view.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 26, 18 6:16 AM
LETS HOPE THE EASTENDERS VOTE REPUBLICAN AND KEEP ZELDIN IN OFFICE.
By longislander40 (37), hampton bays on Feb 24, 18 3:10 PM
If your in favor of teenagers buying an AR-15 or any other high powered "hunting rifle," not strengthening background checks and data integration, then Trump lackey Zeldin, bought and paid for by the NRA, is your man. Just remember that every time you send your child to school and who you voted for.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 25, 18 12:13 PM
Mf, you really have no idea what is going on when it comes to firearms. You just don't. Any reader just needs to read one post, regardless of the subject, and they will have you figured out.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 26, 18 3:54 PM
Vote for Zeldin then dnice, he is not in favor of any gun reform or control. His answer is the bought and paid for answer of the NRA, which is please have as many guns and much ammo as you want. Innocent school children are getting massacred and butchered and people like yourself think the status quo is okay. Despicable person.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 27, 18 5:52 AM
Instead of replying I'm just going to go bang my head into the wall. It's less painful.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 27, 18 11:12 AM
@ bigfresh

Quote

"Zeldin represents his constituents well !"
-----------------------------------------

True, but his constituents don't live on the East End (or even on Long Island.)
By highhatsize (4217), East Quogue on Feb 26, 18 5:31 AM
Where do they live ?
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Feb 26, 18 8:51 AM
If you look up where he gets his donations from, you will find the answer.
By tenn tom (259), remsenburg on Feb 26, 18 3:35 PM
I was being facetious......
By Sturgis (611), Southampton on Feb 26, 18 5:27 PM
Assuredly, this woman is not.

IONA CRAIG WON A POLK AWARD FOR HER INVESTIGATION OF A SEAL TEAM RAID THAT KILLED WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN YEMEN. HERE’S HOW SHE DID IT.

Peter Maass
February 24 2018, 6:57 a.m.


A LITTLE MORE than a year ago, on January 29, 2017, Iona Craig was at the tail end of a month-long reporting trip to Yemen. On that day, special operators from the U.S. Navy’s SEAL Team 6 launched a surprise raid in a remote part of Yemen, apparently ...more
By Mr. Z (11847), North Sea on Feb 27, 18 12:16 AM
Well then, perhaps people should go to his website and see who his largest donors are and where they come from.
By tenn tom (259), remsenburg on Feb 26, 18 9:42 PM
No one ever changes their mind because of comments on an internet thread ; )
By Aeshtron (431), Southampton on Feb 26, 18 11:26 PM
No, but they can be introduced to new information that prompts them to change their own mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 8:54 AM
"Mf, you really have no idea what is going on when it comes to firearms. You just don't. Any reader just needs to read one post, regardless of the subject, and they will have you figured out."
@dnice: Unlike you who is all knowing re: Mets fan, and has him/her "all figured out", I'm in the dark as to your assertion that he/she? "has no idea what is going on when it comes to firearms." What is it that Mets fan has "no idea" about?
By June Bug (2680), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 27, 18 10:05 AM
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Where should I start JB?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 27, 18 11:14 AM
Florida Lawmakers Reject ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban

Florida’s House Appropriations Committee voted Tuesday against adding an “assault weapons” ban to legislation currently being considered.

Teen Hogg must be so horribly disappointed. Go back to school, little boy.

Lets hear the radio log tapes from the START of that shift !
Lots of conflicting Info. about Las Vegas came from replaying their police tapes ...... so , I guess they are learning.
...more
Feb 27, 18 7:27 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Feb 27, 18 7:27 PM
You should really avoid the comparison to cars which have compulsory registration, licensing, inspections, and insurance, but can be operated by people known to be drinkers with the use of an ignition breathalyzer.

It's really apples and oranges.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 11:51 PM
Well, dnice, you could start with facts for once.
By VOS (1241), WHB on Feb 28, 18 1:40 AM
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VOS, anytime you are ready to have a discussion on the facts of gun control, just let me know.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 18 6:11 PM

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By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 27, 18 11:01 AM
Well I noticed that the Southampton press rolled out their new commenting policy today on a few new articles. I value my privacy and will not be participating , so I just wanted to tell all my friends here on the commenting board it has been a very interesting time and I wish you all the best of luck. I am now done with the Southampton press if they're going to try and sensor are opinions. Good luck everyone
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Feb 27, 18 3:35 PM
In their defense they are not censoring opinions, they are merely using a third-party commenting platform that has better tools than their own which will allow them to divert resources away from improving their comment section to other areas.

Not that I thought improvement was necessary, just playing devil's advocate.
Feb 27, 18 3:40 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I can't seem to find the new Facebook-powered comment sections, can you let me know what articles you're seeing it on?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 3:40 PM
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By johnj (1024), Westhampton on Feb 27, 18 4:18 PM
See, the comment section is fine.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 4:57 PM
I'm with you Widow. Opinions are one thing, headaches resulting from lack of respect of that and things outside your control, are another.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Feb 28, 18 9:01 AM
Tying real identities to internet comments is intended to reduce the prevalence of disrespect and extreme views, but in practice actually results in the opposite because rational and moderate views are ostracized.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 9:24 AM
When the hammer falls I too will be gone, cancelling my paid subscription and never buying the Press , or spending advertising dollars with them again. There are too many freaks out there who will go to the extreme when faced with differing opinions and I will not expose my family to that kind of crap.
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Feb 28, 18 10:41 PM
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You misspelled "distasteful opinions"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 1, 18 6:06 AM
Nobody cares, certainly not the Press. Revenue based on Real estate ads.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 2, 18 9:02 AM
RASMUSSEN: TRUMP APPROVAL 7% HIGHER THAN OBAMA AT SAME TIME OF PRESIDENCY...
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 27, 18 5:56 PM
Did anybody see the secretary of the interior lie about how gas prices are supposedly down? That's news to me!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 6:04 PM
I thought progressives like you want carbon energy to be "punishingly" expensive. Are you now advocating that lower gas prices are a good thing? Do you want to destroy the planet?
By NateNewtown (99), east on Feb 27, 18 7:14 PM
Point sources of pollution are indeed preferable to non-point sources, but a man's gotta get to the store from time to time.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 27, 18 11:00 PM
NSA spy chief has yet to hear from Trump administration to go after Ruskies for tampering with election. That pile of useless crap Sarah Huckabee that lies for the orange cheetoh said the administration hasn't stopped him from doing anything. Which is pure garbage, he needs an order to proceed from White House, so that he knows they are both working towards the same end. Do you ask yourselves, the Russian loving traitors on this site, why did Putin want Drumpf to win?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 27, 18 7:51 PM
Drain the swamp, you can't drain what morons Drumpf has appointed. Ben Carson, who was not qualified for any government position, needs a palace for his very temporary job.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Feb 28, 18 6:04 AM
Mets fan aren’t you supposed to be commenting about the article??You are so off topic on your last two ranting posts it’s actually funny.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 1, 18 6:12 AM
It just shows how dysfunctional the right wing nuts have been since in power. Time to get NRA bought politicians out of office to start implementing common sense steps to stop the carnage. If you think playing with your guns is more important than protecting innocent school children, church goers or concert goers, then Zeldin is your bought politician.
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 1, 18 8:05 PM
You wouldn't know common sense if you tripped over it.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Mar 1, 18 8:11 PM
I'd like to hear each of their opinions on:

"An East Hampton teen charged earlier this month with raping a young woman in front of a 7-year-old child in the parking lot of the Springs School was released from jail last week after his family posted $50,000 bail."

By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Feb 28, 18 8:30 AM
I'd like to hear your opinion on it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 28, 18 8:36 AM
Good thing Donald Trump is President at this moment in time. He’s the only candidate who didn’t take a dime from the NRA.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 1, 18 6:45 AM
OpenSecrets [dot] org, ya'll. This is a bold-faced lie.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 1, 18 6:49 AM
Fore, I have seen some unconfirmed reports (by huff post of course) that shows that Trump may have received money funneled into his campaign by the NRA through the Russians (of course) but have not seen anything that says he took contributions directly from the NRA. Can you please reference an accredited news organization that claims this?
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 1, 18 9:22 AM
The NRA donated $1,065 to Trump in the 2016 cycle for the Presidential race according to OpenSecrets, the premier organization for tracking political contributions.

They also spent upwards of $50m on the 2016 elections in contributions to PACs and Super PACs, of which $30m went to support Trump. There has been lots written on this support and you can find the source of your choice that talks about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 1, 18 10:08 AM
If I give 30m to an ad agency, how much have I given to you? That's right. Zero.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 2, 18 7:01 AM
You're ignoring the small but non-zero donation directly to the campaign, and the fact that it wasn't to an "ad agency," it was to groups whose entire purpose was to advance Trump's candidacy or tear down his opponents.

That's support for Trump by definition.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 2, 18 7:04 AM
Please show me an elected official that is not receiving contributions from some source that isn't controversial. By the way a direct contribution from the NRA of 1,000 dollars to Trump is a nothing burger.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Mar 2, 18 10:04 AM
It's fine that he gets money and support from the NRA. The issue is whether "He’s the only candidate who didn’t take a dime from the NRA."

That statement is demonstrably and irrefutably false.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 2, 18 10:06 AM
6 Years, Andrew Breitbart, 1969 – 2012

RIP
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 1, 18 9:44 AM
Andrew gave us the weapon to fight the left......we are the ammunition!!! He is smiling down from heaven right now knowing Trump is in the White House. It was a dream to save this nation from Obama and the left, and I'd say he was a total success in that and many other ways. RIP, Andrew.
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 1, 18 9:54 AM
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People are getting massacred and butchered while the orange cheetah was the NRA's biggest cheerleader. Save school children from the tangerine toddler is what you meant to say. MAGA= McDonald's And Golfing Again!!
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 1, 18 8:08 PM
Breaking News:

In an exclusive interview with FBI agents Moose and Squirrel, CNN has learned that Donald Trump did indead meet with Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale to discuss trading Bullwinkles rocket fuel cake batter formula for making sure that Frostbite falls would not go to Hillary.

Donald Trump also turned over all mineral rights in Moosylvania to Fearless Leader in trade for 3 russian hookers!

This report has been verified by our roving reporters Mr. Peabody and ...more
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 2, 18 6:57 AM
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Putin is displaying his weapons of mass destruction, yet no comment from your commie loving cheetoh. More importantly tweets about Alec Baldwin, feel safer now?
By Mets fan (1501), Southampton on Mar 2, 18 9:01 AM
If you're not responsible enough to own a gun at 18... then you're not responsible enough to vote at 18... I think we should raise the age for both to 21



By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 2, 18 11:50 AM
The anti 2A nuts are fine with our kids joining the military at 18 , but not with those same brave men and women purchasing a weapon. Not really consistent are they?
By bigfresh (4666), north sea on Mar 2, 18 12:01 PM
Why have age limits for anything at all? That's just big gubmint!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 2, 18 1:30 PM
I think the point is that it should be one way or the other and to stop the cherry picking , pick an age where you have responsibility. period
By Erin 27 E (1281), hampton bays on Mar 2, 18 2:01 PM
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Or could it be that we've decided people have different degrees of responsibility at different ages?

It simply doesn't make sense to arbitrarily lump everything under one age.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 2, 18 2:14 PM
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Voting can effect many more lives the owning a gun so maybe your right how about the right to own a gun at 21 and the right to vote at 23
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 2, 18 5:15 PM
*Affect
*Than
*You're

I don't know about the age thing, but you make a compelling argument for literacy tests.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 3, 18 8:53 AM
if you think that you're having an affect on me with you grammar critique , than you're nuts, I was quickly responding to a blog not writing a paper for you to grade.

So how about the right to own a gun at 21 and the right to vote at 23 ?

Or maybe we should just pick an age of adulthood ? 21 seems resonable I am willing to admit 21 seems better for both are you ?

Remember if 18 is not an adult then you cannot charge this "minor" as an adult!

You seem to want ...more
By Ditch Bum (929), Water Mill on Mar 3, 18 11:38 AM
Lol, you can promote whatever age limits you want to see. A single age for everything would be arbitrary and illogical.

If you want to raise the voting age go for it, but millennials are one of the largest cohorts since the baby boomers and I don't think they'll vote in favor of removing their voting rights.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 3, 18 11:45 AM
Ditch is right either you are an adult or your not. 18 to drive or get your head blown off in Iraq but not get a beer or buy cigs ? You cant buy a weapon but if you get a gun on the street and kill someone you are charged as an adult ? Come on pick an age you are responsible for your actions. End of story !
By They call me (2826), southampton on Mar 3, 18 2:25 PM
The age for voting for should be raised and the military is voluntary. Your logic if fatally flawed. It's not a one sized fits all world.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Mar 3, 18 4:20 PM
That is where we disagree. It is very simple Adult or not an Adult .

If we follow your logic the rule of law would look like ~ oh wait it kind of does ...

Legal or Illegally, If you break the law why do we let them stay ?

Liberals also attempt to limit guns in society to prevent killing innocent people, but then support abortion.

Liberals shout about how Trump didn’t look to the science behind climate change. Yet liberals don’t look to the science ...more
By joe hampton (3461), The Hamptons on Mar 3, 18 5:03 PM
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Your rant about liberals does nothing to support a "one-size-fits-all" age of majority, probably because it doesn't make sense: driving, consent, and drinking are different ages because we've determined they require different levels of responsibility.

Imagine if kids couldn't drive until 21? They'd never leave the house!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 4, 18 8:06 AM
Respectfully Fore, it might be you that has determined they require " different levels of responsibility " I have not reached that same conclusion. We have seen you can kill more people with a motor vehicle than a gun many times in the past few years. the left does not care about the children they just want control and the no that the guns are the differance between a free man and a slave to a rouge government.

Lets worry about the issue at hand and harden the schools to protect our children ...more
By 27dan (2854), Shinnecock Hills on Mar 6, 18 5:58 PM
Who said we do not want to protect the schools ?
By local 84 (353), riverhead on Mar 7, 18 1:37 PM
We've collectively decided that they require different levels of responsibility because the legislation passed by the legislators we've elected reflect that:

We decided that 16 year olds need to be capable of seeking employment so there's a special license for that.

We decided that a hardline age of consent doesn't contemplate relationships between 17 and 18 year-olds so we have a flexible age of consent for 16-24 year-olds.

We decided locally that 18 was too young to ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8265), HAMPTON BAYS on Mar 7, 18 1:45 PM